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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Read my post, I didn't say that.
    Here's what you said

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    You come from the false premise that we should be comparable to other countries. That's wrong, we're not about how much tax the govt can get; we about how little it needs to function.
    There's nothing false about thinking we should compare our tax systems.

    But I guess the question I asked should have been "What makes you think we shouldn't?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...considering that since the country's beginning to current we have not had socialized health care and maintained as low a fed profile as possible, I would suggest that at least until recently, the dependent class that desires greater socialization and higher taxes of those that succeed in this country to support those that dont has been in the minority.
    Correction: We have not had socialized health care for the nation, but we have had such for certain parts of the population, i.e., Medicaid for the poor (to include the elderly who are poor), Medicare, VA benefits. These three health care programs alone covery tens of millions of Americans. The only segments of the population who aren't on some type of federally sponsored health care system are the wealthy (some of whom do take advantage of Medicaid to a degree) and the middle-class who receive their health care largely via their employers; others via the use of employer-backed HSAs.

    Truth be told, America's alot closer to providing socialize health care than alot of people think and that was before ObamaCare. But as I've said, the only way to get there is if the citizenry agree to pay a health care tax akin to Social Security. Until then, socialized health care won't happen for a long time. And before you say it, despite the mandate in ObamaCare the health care system, even when made part of state-sponsored health insurance exchanges, will still be managed by state health care commissions. Private insurance will remain the primary source both employers and some within the working class obtain their insurace, i.e., HSAs. The health insurance industry as a whole may take recommendations from the Dept. of HHS occasionally, such as this issue with free birth control to women (which again was a recommendation initiated by the Institute of Medicine, not the fed itself), but health insurance will remain largely in the control of the private sector.

    (Personal Note: Sorry for hijacking the thread; just had to set the record straight and reply to the above. Carry on...)
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    the dependent class that desires greater socialization and higher taxes of those that succeed in this country to support those that dont has been in the minority.
    I'd say that the "dependant class" are the wealthy whose wealth depends on the labor of the poor and the middle class, and they don't favor higher taxes, though they sure love their socialistic bailouts and subsidies.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Like most, I care about future generations just as I do my own. I prefer cutting wasteful government spending and eliminating tax breaks for the rich that are not creating jobs.
    Its better to invest your money than to rely on others to pay your bills.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    As usual you dont have a clue what your talking about...no ones telling anyone what to do with their money...they are telling me what they do with tax cuts and thats the bs story
    What are tax cuts brilliant? More money in your pocket. Therefore they are telling you do what with you plan?? Jesus dude..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A hint: Nixon is dead and Bush is no longer president.
    Both are true of FDR.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Does this include ALL taxes? Not just federal income taxes, but also state income, sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, local fees and taxes?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We've had a decade of the Bush tax cuts, where are the jobs?
    The jobs left when the Libbos took over the government. Remember the 5% unemployment rate, back when we had a government that understood that it couldn't create jobs?

    You falsely assume that every rich person that gets more of a tax break greater than the median income of 90% of the country, is not going to do what they have been doing for the last decade, investing that money in other countries rather than the country that gave them the tax break to begin with.
    If we didn't have a government that was hell bent on wealth redistribution, they wouldn't move that money out of the country.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Government wastes money, period. When I worked for the Government, I once had a boss who spent official funds lavishly, and when asked about it, would say, "It's on the Government's dime. Who cares?"
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The jobs left when the Libbos took over the government. Remember the 5% unemployment rate, back when we had a government that understood that it couldn't create jobs?



    If we didn't have a government that was hell bent on wealth redistribution, they wouldn't move that money out of the country.
    Right, the job losses had nothing to do with the recession.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Government wastes money, period. When I worked for the Government, I once had a boss who spent official funds lavishly, and when asked about it, would say, "It's on the Government's dime. Who cares?"
    And you don't think the same thing happens in private corporations?

    I've never seen a government worker screw up so bad that he nearly brought the government to its knees, and then be rewarded with a $100 million retirement package.

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