And the socialist ignore the fact that Americans get hit by far more sources of taxes than Europe. We have federal income tax and FICA which are two biggies. We have other forms of income tax such as capital gains. But then we have federal taxes on telephone calls, gasoline, tobacco, alcohol, and so forth and so on.
Then we hav3e state taxes. They tax most of the same things that the feds tax and then some, such as a sales tax.
Then we have county taxes. That's the property tax, another sales tax, automobile taxes, and whatever else they feel like taxing.
then we have city taxes. Certainly a sales tax, another property tax, seat tax in theaters, hotel tax, and so more.
Then we had special improvement districts. Where I lived, that meant another property tax for some but not others to go to the hospital. And, a special improvement district for street lights assessed to each property owners.
And so it goes. Many of the socialists arguing the U.S. has low taxes are lying and are in the favored groups who pay low taxes. To me, it's shocking that almost half of the country pays zero in Income Tax. Those existing totally on the dole have no taxes because they have no earned income.
And don't overlook the flat-out lying part. In the U.S. the politicians have found lots, maybe over a hundred, euphemisms for lying but it's still lying. My favorite is the current, "I didn't explain this well enough," when what is meant, "I lied and got caught."
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Europe isn't socialist in the economic sense. They simply have more entitlement programs. One issue is whether or not Americans trust the government to spend their money. Currently the wealthy and middle class are being taxed somewhere in the 30th percentile on their income. Now what do Americans get for their contribution in taxes? Healthcare? Comes out of my paycheck until I turn 65. Retirement? I'm being told Social Security won't be around when I'm eligible because we have no money. Foreign policy? We have military bases all over the world and are currently engaged in two (maybe three) wars I don't agree with. Foreign aid? We give aid to support military dictators and fund the IMF, who in turn tries to bailout Greece so Greeks don't have to retire at the same age as Americans. We spend much more as a % of GDP than any other country on healthcare and yet cover a smaller % of people. And despite all this, the US currently has trillions of dollars in debt. I want government to show me they can invest my money better than I can. Otherwise, why would I want to give the government more?
PS: I understand taxes will have to be higher to decrease the debt. This was a long-term assessment.
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Once again, the rightwing must obsess over income taxes to the exclusion of all other taxes in order to justify the massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
What is more shocking is that people like you actually believe that drivel and use it as a political ploy to LOWER taxes. Hey I understand your swiss cheese holed tax system needs a major overhaul so the burden gets to be more fair on all fronts, but dont blame the lowest income American's for the excess spending of the middle class and up over the last 20+ years.And so it goes. Many of the socialists arguing the U.S. has low taxes are lying and are in the favored groups who pay low taxes. To me, it's shocking that almost half of the country pays zero in Income Tax. Those existing totally on the dole have no taxes because they have no earned income.
1) The chart in the OP compares ALL taxes. How those taxes are apportioned to various forms of economic activity is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not the US is a high tax nation
2) The rightwingers love to whine about income taxes, to the exclusion of all other taxes, because it draws attention away from the big picture.
I'm not Chilean, French, Swedish, Germanic, English - I'm none of these. I've never been to their countries, lived there - even engaged in conversation from someone who is from any of these places.
So why should their approach to keeping a country affect my views on how our country should function?
These types of discussions reveal very interesting facts - but they don't equate to my life, my expenses, our society and how we live.
A screaming comes across the sky.
It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow