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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Minority rights and enumerated powers.

    What country do you live in that you think you have a right to "rule" over others simply because you have a mob behind you? How sick.
    Minority rights have nothing to do with taxes and taxes are an enumerated power. When it comes to income taxes, the majority certainly does rule.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Based on the above I think you misunderstand the discussion.

    Minority rights and enumerated powers means there are limits as to what the federal government majority can rule over, in the first place.

    Is freedom so foreign to you that you can only envision two scenarios?
    A majority government ruling you, or a minority government ruling you?

    How about your government is supposed to allow you to rule yourself on most things? What are they teaching you in school????
    Again, minority rights have nothing to do with income taxes and taxes are an enumerated power. The constitution is clear that the govt has the power to levy taxes. The limits of that power are equally clear, and it doesn't place a specific limit on the tax rates
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The US Government contradicts your post.
    Revenue As Percent Of GDP in United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local

    Secondly, is % GDP necessarily the appropriate stat? What about looking at who actually pays more, rather than a %? That makes more sense to me.

    Thirdly, saying that taxes are too high in the US is NOT the same as saying that US taxes are higher than in other countries. Therefore, this thread, like many threads, is a straw man.
    That chart is about revenue, which includes more than just taxes.

    And this thread isn't about what any one individual pays in taxes. It's about the total tax burden as a share of GDP.

    And since rightwingers like to claim that if we raise taxes, corps will move to other nations, it must certainly is an appropriate fact to point out.

    And you don't seem to understand what a straw man is. It does not mean "an argument I do not like"
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, it would go a long way toward fulfilling your fiscal fantasies. And thank you for proving you are not an Independent, which I knew all along.
    Neither party is suggesting this set of proposals so I don't understand how it shows I'm not an independent.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those programs were created by socialist politicos, not the founders.
    bush* and the republicans who created Medicare D were socialists?

    Nixon, who proposed a universal health care system and a minimum income was a socialist?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    bush* and the republicans who created Medicare D were socialists?

    Nixon, who proposed a universal health care system and a minimum income was a socialist?
    They weren't full blown conservatives.

    As far as Nixon goes, he was bending the Democrat majority that had ruled Congress for 30 years.

    FDR was a socialist. He's the one that really got the socialism ball rolling in America.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They weren't full blown conservatives.

    As far as Nixon goes, he was bending the Democrat majority that had ruled Congress for 30 years.

    FDR was a socialist. He's the one that really got the socialism ball rolling in America.
    Ah, the "not true conservative" fallacy.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Ah, the "not true conservative" fallacy.
    And that somehow makes it ok for the Libbos to over-reach when they took control of the government?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And that somehow makes it ok for the Libbos to over-reach when they took control of the government?
    And that makes it OK for you to use logical fallacies?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And that makes it OK for you to use logical fallacies?
    A hint: Nixon is dead and Bush is no longer president.

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