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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

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    right, those evil Tea Party people

    Our Founding Fathers were considered zealots. They put together our Constitution which has been the framework of America's survival, success and rise to become the premier nation in the world today. The Tea Party consists of the same type of zealots who believe that the Constitution and the principles fought for by our Founding Fathers must be saved from those who seek to destroy it such as the likes of the Nicholas Kristof's of the Socialist left.
    Our founding fathers where also very good at compromise, something the tea party isn't. See what happens when you pick and choose aspects of the founding fathers to invoke?
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

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    right, those evil Tea Party people

    Our Founding Fathers were considered zealots. They put together our Constitution which has been the framework of America's survival, success and rise to become the premier nation in the world today. The Tea Party consists of the same type of zealots who believe that the Constitution and the principles fought for by our Founding Fathers must be saved from those who seek to destroy it such as the likes of the Nicholas Kristof's of the Socialist left.
    The majority of the tea party consists of misinformed segments of the far right. They failed at their goal of reducing government spending in any meaningful sort of way. Balanced budget? Not during this decade.

    As the movement fades into the sunset, the GOP will not recuperate their losses for some time.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

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    The Tea Party consists of the same type of zealots who believe that the Constitution and the principles fought for by our Founding Fathers must be saved from those who seek to destroy it
    It really doesn't. The founding fathers were moving the world forward. They were cutting edge. They created a system of government FAR more progressive than anything the world had ever seen. They were ahead of their time. Modern day tea party peopel are decades or even century behind the times. It's the opposite type of person.

    As for preserving the constitution, what the heck are you talking about? The constitution allows Congress to borrow, to tax and to spend... Sometimes I feel like when a tea party person says "the constitution" they don't mean the actual document, they mean some personal image they have in their heads about how they think the country should be. But if I'm wrong, by all means, lay out the article, section and clause of the constitution you believe is being violated...

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The majority of the tea party consists of misinformed segments of the far right. They failed at their goal of reducing government spending in any meaningful sort of way. Balanced budget? Not during this decade.

    As the movement fades into the sunset, the GOP will not recuperate their losses for some time.
    So I assume you are part of the 40% that still supports Obama? I always wondered what it was like to be so arrogant that one knows everything about everyone else and is so perfect in every way. Being around you is an inspiration.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It really doesn't. The founding fathers were moving the world forward. They were cutting edge. They created a system of government FAR more progressive than anything the world had ever seen. They were ahead of their time. Modern day tea party peopel are decades or even century behind the times. It's the opposite type of person.

    As for preserving the constitution, what the heck are you talking about? The constitution allows Congress to borrow, to tax and to spend... Sometimes I feel like when a tea party person says "the constitution" they don't mean the actual document, they mean some personal image they have in their heads about how they think the country should be. But if I'm wrong, by all means, lay out the article, section and clause of the constitution you believe is being violated...
    The 2010 election was about cutting spending and reigning in control of the large central govt. The tea party is winning

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So I assume you are part of the 40% that still supports Obama? I always wondered what it was like to be so arrogant that one knows everything about everyone else and is so perfect in every way. Being around you is an inspiration.
    I support Obama's actions more so than those of the GOP. This does not mean i am a democrat, nor does your response have anything to do with my comment.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The 2010 election was about cutting spending and reigning in control of the large central govt. The tea party is winning
    The tea party has lost. The American people will not forget who attempted to hold the country hostage.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    House just passed the deal. Senate votes tomorrow.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The 2010 election was about cutting spending and reigning in control of the large central govt. The tea party is winning
    The 2010 election was about the economy sucking. Folks aren't going to be so happy with the people they voted in if things suck worse in 2012.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The 2010 election was about cutting spending and reigning in control of the large central govt. The tea party is winning
    So no defense for you statement about the constitution? That was just rhetoric?

    As for whether the tea party is "winning" or not, depends how you look at it I guess. You can get a lot more bang for your buck in one of these fights if you really come across as stupid or crazy enough to intentionally destroy the world. They're certainly getting an awful lot of bang for their buck right now because of that tactic. But, in the long run, that sort of scortched earth tactic does not fare well. That's why the more experienced politicians don't do it. Obviously nobody- the Republicans or the Democrats- is going to compromise with them, give them powerful posts or include them in any decisions or anything after this. Some portion of the people who voted for them last time will be turned off by it. In the long run, rationality beats the "don't you know I'm loco" approach.

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