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    Re: Breaking: Agreement has been reached on raising the debt limit....

    I had no doubt that this would occur. I'd like to see more details, but without raising taxes at the same time as cutting spending, I believe we will still be in deep ****.
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    I'm upset that there are no impacting tax increases happening, especially on the corporate sector. We just practically bailed out the entire corporate economy and banking sector on Wall Street, and now the public has to face austerity for it. Why doesn't big business have to face any austerity?

    I'm glad the debt ceiling was raised but I don't think enough was done to really target the source of this problem.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    The scary thing here is that the Republicans, in particular the teabaggers, learned that as long as they have enough votes to prevent something from passing, and if they have no moral qualms and the appearance of insanity required to make such a threat appear credibile, they can get whatever they want by threatening to destroy the country. They want school prayer? We better give it to them or else they might block an emergency response to the next big hurricane. They want to ban Islam? We better give it to them or else they might block the flu vaccines for the next potential epidemic. It's disgusting. We're all being held hostage by the stupidest, meanest, element of our society.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    They want school prayer? We better give it to them or else they might block an emergency response to the next big hurricane.
    where?

    They want to ban Islam? We better give it to them or else they might block the flu vaccines for the next potential epidemic.
    when?

    We're all being held hostage by the stupidest, meanest, element of our society.
    who?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The scary thing here is that the Republicans, in particular the teabaggers, learned that as long as they have enough votes to prevent something from passing, and if they have no moral qualms and the appearance of insanity required to make such a threat appear credibile, they can get whatever they want by threatening to destroy the country. They want school prayer? We better give it to them or else they might block an emergency response to the next big hurricane. They want to ban Islam? We better give it to them or else they might block the flu vaccines for the next potential epidemic. It's disgusting. We're all being held hostage by the stupidest, meanest, element of our society.
    I would respond to this posting, but I would be banned from this site if I expressed anything relevant about the sanity of the poster, so I won't say anything.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

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    It's in the same place as people wanting to take your guns away.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I would respond to this posting, but I would be banned from this site if I expressed anything relevant about the sanity of the poster, so I won't say anything.
    Do you deny that their tactic was to threaten to destroy the country unless they got something they wanted? Or is it just that you like their goals, so you don't care about the tactics they used to achieve them?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The scary thing here is that the Republicans, in particular the teabaggers, learned that as long as they have enough votes to prevent something from passing, and if they have no moral qualms and the appearance of insanity required to make such a threat appear credibile, they can get whatever they want by threatening to destroy the country. They want school prayer? We better give it to them or else they might block an emergency response to the next big hurricane. They want to ban Islam? We better give it to them or else they might block the flu vaccines for the next potential epidemic. It's disgusting. We're all being held hostage by the stupidest, meanest, element of our society.
    You are right on the money. Obama is now 0 for 2 in attempting to negotiate tax justice with the GOP. He will lose again in November. Three strikes.

    The Republicans are simply proving the truism that in a fight - the one who is the absolute batcrap craziest is the odds on favorite to win. The GOP out negotiated Obama before the tea party nutjobs got there in january and they did it again here. This is a sad day for America.
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    It actually does seem a little absurd that there was a debate about this "debt ceiling" thing at all. We should call it what it is. "Paying back money we already spent." None of this was about new spending, or anything about what we do in the future. It was about actually financing decisions we've made in the past and reaped the rewards from. This is making good on that "no money down until 2011" deal. We've been driving the car around for a while, and the collection agency has come knocking. The fact that republicans fought about it at all shows me that they're either unscrupulous or simply ignorant of how this actually works. The debate about taxes and social programs comes later.

    This was literally a discussion about whether or not to skip out on the bill at the restaurant, in plain view of the wait staff, and then arrogantly posturing that doing so will toughen the place up... but claiming it'll still give us endless soup, salad, and breadsticks in the future.

    Yes, there needs to be discussion about spending and taxation. We should waste less money on stupid crap like wars in the Middle East and oil company subsidies. And yes, we need to close tax loopholes and probably not increase the taxes on middle class families and small business owners. We should un-cut the taxes for the wealthiest. It's not really raising, it's just realizing that all these absurd cuts were absurd in the first place and tossing them in the pile with the rest of the bad ideas.

    But the fact that, in the face of crisis, time and time again, republicans will hold the country hostage... It's like Boehner and his buddies think they're living inside of Mission Impossible and you can only diffuse the bomb when there's three seconds left and everyone is in sufficient danger of imminent disaster.

    This whole debate was absurd and frankly frightening.
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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are right on the money. Obama is now 0 for 2 in attempting to negotiate tax justice with the GOP. He will lose again in November. Three strikes.

    The Republicans are simply proving the truism that in a fight - the one who is the absolute batcrap craziest is the odds on favorite to win. The GOP out negotiated Obama before the tea party nutjobs got there in january and they did it again here. This is a sad day for America.
    Kinda sad that they're employing the same tactics as a four year old by holding their breath until they (and we along with them) pass out. Sadder still that it's working.
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