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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

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    No, there is quite a difference, both Repubicans that I voted for had an economic plan in place that was headed in the right direction when the time came for re-election.
    Oh really? Who'd you vote for in 1992?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, that is not always an option. We're at war ... we're out of money to continue funding said war ... we can do it my way, borrow the money to pay for the war and continue fighting it ... or your way, tuck our tail between our legs and cower away in poverty and hope the enemy doesn't proverbally shoot us in the back as with slither away.

    Point being, there are times you have to spend money. You don't have enough money to pay your electric bill and your car payment -- my way, you borrow the money and keep your car and your lights on; your way, you're either living in the dark, losing your car, or losing something else you're taking the money from.


    Since you missed the point, lemme 'splain it to you ... Conservative presidents contributed 8 trillion of our 14 trillion dollar debt ... Conservative's never complained until a Democrat borrwoed money like a Republican. Conservatives' hands are not clean.
    How did those President's create the debt all buy themselves without the help of a Democrat controlled Congress. Reagan never had total control of the Congress, Bush had control from 2003-2007 but Obama had total control in overwhelming numbers. Civics tells us that Congress controls the pursestrings and legislative process. Too many here don't understand that.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Oh really? Did you vote for GHW Bush in 1992? What was his economic plan that you supported?
    Yes, and if you bothered to look at the GDP you would understand why

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, that is not always an option.
    Yes, yes it is.
    What you don't understand is that there's a difference between "no option" and "no option that I like"

    We're at war ... we're out of money to continue funding said war ... we can do it my way, borrow the money to pay for the war and continue fighting it...
    You did notice that -I- suggested an exeption to a balanced budget during times of declared war - right?
    However, we arent discussing a declared war, we're discussing your issue of a Katrina-like natural disaster.

    I presneted you four options to that end, one of which you accepted and one of which you have yet to effectively argue against.
    Thus far, your example has done nothing to persuade anyone capable of reasoned thought that a BBA is a bad thing, especially given that you agreed the funds for such an emergnecy could be approproated in the next FY.

    Since you missed the point...
    Your point was that when you want the government to spend money and it doesn't have any, your -first- thought is to borrow it.
    No, I got it; among liberals, it is endemic.
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    Re: Breaking: Agreement has been reached on raising the debt limit....

    peter beinert above, dailybeast, observed:

    tea is running dc---the good news (from beinert's perspective) is that neocon activism abroad is dead, but the bad news is dreams of the next progressive age are equally defunct

    here's a conservative's view of our expanding times:

    The Ground Has Shifted Under Obama's Feet - HUMAN EVENTS

    summary of human events' perspective: all saw obama trying to spend, trying to spend a lot, all saw republicans stop and turn him, all saw a disfunctional govt and naturally ask who's in charge

    worse, the broad argument about govt spending, govt control, govt competence, govt solvency...

    a pair of perspectives not necessarily mutually exclusive

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    How did those President's create the debt all buy themselves without the help of a Democrat controlled Congress. Reagan never had total control of the Congress, Bush had control from 2003-2007 but Obama had total control in overwhelming numbers. Civics tells us that Congress controls the pursestrings and legislative process. Too many here don't understand that.
    And you don't seem to understand that except for the rare Congressional veto override, not a dime was spent without the president's approval.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Yes, and if you bothered to look at the GDP you would understand why
    What was his economic plan that you voted to give 4 more years for?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And you don't seem to understand that except for the rare Congressional veto override, not a dime was spent without the president's approval.
    Thus both parties are responsible for the deficits and the debt, a foreign concept to many here. Bush spent too much money with the help of Congress but Obama put Bush spending on steroids and the results are what we see today and what we will be voting on in 2012.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What was his economic plan that you voted to give 4 more years for?
    Would love to discuss GHW Bush vs. Clinton with you but you need to start a GHW Bush vs. Clinton thread. This thread isn't about GHW Bush, GW Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Bill Clinton. What you want to do is divert from the current President and try to justify your vote by bashing previous Presidents. None of that matters or will matter in 2012. It will be the Obama record and no one cares about your distorted data comparing percentage change.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    The election will be about jobs and the economy, and most Americans understand who is responsible for the Great Recession. If they were starting to forget, this debt limit "debate" should refresh their recollections.

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