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    Re: Breaking: Agreement has been reached on raising the debt limit....

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    The Democratic party STANDS for giving a damn about the average American....
    The problem with that is the Democratic party only does that during election years or to secure votes for election years. They don't give a damn about American's, they give a damn about themselves and their power base... same as every other politician who's ever lived. Claiming some higher purpose fighting for the common man out of the goodness of the Democratic Party's heart is comic genius.
    ďI think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whatís being proposed here, heíd agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.Ē - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Breaking: Agreement has been reached on raising the debt limit....

    Just like conservatives are laughing at people like yourself, as you pay for their 10th car, their private jets, and their weekend get-aways to the private islands in the pacific.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Frustrating to watch our bureaucrats at "work." Looking at this deal initially doesn't do anything to lower the debt and in fact increases it as the baseline is the starting point with every budget and the baseline goes up every year. Right now the baseline budget is 3.7 trillion dollars, a record budget. Income is about 2.4 trillion so we have a 1.3 trillion shortfall and Congress is going to cut what from the budget? 3.4 trillion over 10 years is 340 billion per year so instead of a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit we have a 1 trillion dollar deficit so where are the cuts?

    Best plan would have been to go back to 2008 spending and start the cuts there, IMO
    lol.......we need to raise taxes, td. no way around it. right now, we are asking EVERYBODY but the wealthy to make sacrifices. it's bull****. i am looking for a third party, and it certainly WON'T be the juvenile tea party.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It should be a trillion reduction per year.
    it should start with pay and benefit reductions for congress.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
    09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
    09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
    09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
    09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
    09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
    09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
    09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
    09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38

    Or you can do it by day at the following

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
    These are the same numbers that conservatives always trot out to try and prove that Clinton didn't run a surplus. They want to subtract intergovernmental holdings to reach that result. What they DON'T want to do, however, is subtract intergovernmental holdings for any other purpose. In other words, they will carve out IH when talking about Clinton, but turn right around and say that Bush's deficits weren't THAT bad -- and NOT carve out IH to make them look less horrendous.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    lol.......we need to raise taxes, td. no way around it. right now, we are asking EVERYBODY but the wealthy to make sacrifices. it's bull****. i am looking for a third party, and it certainly WON'T be the juvenile tea party.
    Why do we need to raise taxes and how does raising taxes put 24 million unemployed and under employed Americans back to full time work? Here we go again, asking the wealthy to make sacrifices? What sacrifice are the 47% income earners that aren't paying any FIT making?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    These are the same numbers that conservatives always trot out to try and prove that Clinton didn't run a surplus. They want to subtract intergovernmental holdings to reach that result. What they DON'T want to do, however, is subtract intergovernmental holdings for any other purpose. In other words, they will carve out IH when talking about Clinton, but turn right around and say that Bush's deficits weren't THAT bad -- and NOT carve out IH to make them look less horrendous.
    So let me see if I have this correct, you contribute to SS and have no problem with the govt. taking that money and putting it on budget and spending it leaving you with an IOU? Total debt equals public debt plus intergovt. holdings and that is what we pay debt service on. That amounts right now due to low interest rates at 200 billion a year of tax dollars to fund it. Is that what you call liberal logic?

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it should start with pay and benefit reductions for congress.
    Now that I can agree with. I prefer a part time legislature like we have in TX. Send these bureaucrats back to their states to face the people that they are misrepresenting.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do we need to raise taxes and how does raising taxes put 24 million unemployed and under employed Americans back to full time work? Here we go again, asking the wealthy to make sacrifices? What sacrifice are the 47% income earners that aren't paying any FIT making?
    Well, many of them are paying the price for bank deregulation -- being that they're unemployed because of the financial meltdown. Others are paying the price in the form of wage stagnation, i.e., because blue collar pay has been stagnant for a decade while whitle collar pay has been skyrocketing.

    See, it's a bit inconsistent to constantly promote policies that hammer the middle class and then whine because the middle class isn't paying more in taxes.

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    Re: Obama: We have a deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    So far your "argument" amounts to calling your opposition names, then calling them stupid.

    It might feel good when you're doing it, but as for real debate it seriously couldn't be more lacking.
    Befuddled_Stoner called the following 4 Tea Baggers stupid. I didnít describe them, just described their status and position. But since you are complaining about qualifying their behavior improperly; then, please describe their behavior. Thanks.
    Here is my post again.
    Sorry, I have to post this again. What you are also missing is an understanding of Tea Party supporters. I met with Tea Party individuals at a demonstration. Two older folks there were carrying signs that read ďNO GOV HEALTH CAREĒ, but to me they looked old enough to be on Medicare. They were on Medicare. They explained to me that they didnít want the government taking it over and messing with it.
    Also, a Tea Party family was at the demonstration, father, mother and one 10 year old son; two more at home. My wife and I chatted with them. The father is a vet that started serving just after the Viet War ended. He was disposing of Agent Orange; which in our opinion may have been the source of his health problems. He had a heart attack about 6 months earlier. Went to the hospital where his wife works as a low level employee. What she said she did only pays low wages. They canít afford the extra for family health insurance, she was the only one insured since that canít be refused for more pay. His bill was about $90,000. Her wages were garnished by the hospital; itís only a small garnishment so it will take a very long time to pay it off. Again, they were there with a Donít Tread On Me flag and more.
    Are these the Tea Party members you are thinking of? Or are there two kinds of Tea Partiers? What kinds are there?

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