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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gosh can you imagine? in the United States... some kind of institutional limit to the ruling parties' power?!?


    that concept would have been totally foreign to the Founding Fathers, no doubt...
    I think its really funny when you hear democratic congressmen go on and on about how the Tea Party is taking hostage over the country and they are "Dictators" over the system.... so their logically conclusion- is hoping the president uses his executive order to "save the country" bypassing the entire system and debate...

    Using the exact same logic but even worse because the president could actually try to force it on the people.
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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, then we can impeach his ass and be done with it.
    I say bring it on, I can't think a better way to get reelected.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gosh can you imagine? in the United States... some kind of institutional limit to the ruling parties' power?!?


    that concept would have been totally foreign to the Founding Fathers, no doubt...
    In it's history, what has the debt limit accomplished? ZERO, NADA, NICHTS


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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    a little under 2/3rds of Americans supported Cut Cap and Balance, and more than two-thirds support a Balanced Budget Amendment.

    when he alters his rhetoric to call for a BBA in light of that, then I'll believe that he actually thinks polls matter.
    I told you before and I'll say it again, that is total BS. Since an overwhellming majority don't know what Cut Cap and Balance is, there is no way this could be determined. For goodness sake only about 26% know from which country we got our independence from.

    How in hell can you put a Balanced Budget in legislation that requires 2/3 vote in both houses and a 3/4 vote from all the states?

    This is stupidity on steroids.


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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    In it's history, what has the debt limit accomplished? ZERO, NADA, NICHTS
    yes. precisely. that you don't get that is the point.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I told you before and I'll say it again, that is total BS. Since an overwhellming majority don't know what Cut Cap and Balance is, there is no way this could be determined.
    but support for the President's plan, of which nobody is certain what is in it, can be assured?

    please

    How in hell can you put a Balanced Budget in legislation that requires 2/3 vote in both houses and a 3/4 vote from all the states?
    you require it to pass the Legislature. It is then up to the States - but the reason Democrats won't do it is because they know the States would pass it, and then their goose is cooked.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What the President Wants is make-believe cuts, real tax increases, and another commission to study the entitlements.
    Have you read either debt limit bill coming from either side? Have you even read the Cut, Cap and Balance bill? It doesn't dare touch Social Security, Medicare or VA benefits and services; it "excluse" them from reforms or spending caps.

    (b) EXEMPT FROM DIRECT SPENDING LIMITS.
    4 Direct spending for the following functions is exempt from
    5 the limits specified in subsection (c):
    6 (1) Social Security, function 650.
    7 (2) Medicare, function 570.
    8 (3) Veterans Benefits and Services, function
    9 700.
    10 (4) Net Interest, function 900.
    And according to this review at GOP.gov contrary to the language in Sen. Reid's bill which gives the appears of placing spending limits on "non-war-related activities" or "defense spending", Speaker Boeher's bill would empose the exact same spending limit. Neither bill is really all that dissimilar from the other. The more I read of them, the more I realize neither were really serious offers to solve this debt limit stallmate, but alteast Reid's plan would have extended having to worry about the matter for atleast the next 18 months.

    look, AAA is lost. maybe not today, maybe not Aug 3; but unless we make drastic changes that the current divided government is incapable of, soon.
    You won't get the reforms you belief are necessary in entitlements within the next four days. Not gonna happen. Either we take the best parts of both bills and combine them into one, or both parties will force the President to choose between facing a Constitutional inquiry which the nation will only see as a total capitulation by Congress' failure to do their duty and uphold their consititutional oath to protect the "full faith and credit of the United States". They will not blame the President for this failure; they will blame Congress.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes. precisely. that you don't get that is the point.
    Then why hasn't anyone in Congress ever put forth a bill to eliminate it?

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm sure you really do think the man is shallow, but if you've bothered to really listen to what he's said, he'd be doing pretty much what all parts of society has asked him to do.
    What he said was, having to raise the debt ceiling was a failure in leadership.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    What he said was, having to raise the debt ceiling was a failure in leadership.
    If you really believe that, then how do you explain neither side of Congress being able to put forward a piece of legislation that:

    1) barely made it through the House even on the second try; and,

    2) both sides knew their bill would not get passed by the opposing side of Congress.

    Both sides effectively tossed out the other side's bill. Yet, when it comes down to the wire both sides had no choice but to come back to "the negotiating community organizer many thought incapable of leading" all now very willing to give him damned near everything he wants in order to save their political careers, especially Boehner. McConnell and Cantor. The true irony here is if they had listened to him and the American people, this problem would have been resolved weeks, if not months ago.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then why hasn't anyone in Congress ever put forth a bill to eliminate it?
    because the point of the debt limit is to restrict action, not encourage it.

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