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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I found the opening paragraphs to the article in the OP very interesting:



    Translation:
    He wants to raise taxes and employ his neat little 1099 law. We already know that.

    Or, he's hoping that the economy really will take a nose dive and he can come in to save the day. Never let a crisis go to waste. Eh?

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, then we can impeach his ass and be done with it.
    Yeah right. Keep dreaming.


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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Obama would be remembered as the first President in US history presiding over a government that defaulted on its debt and lost its AAA rating. No, Obama's legacy could be leaving a financial catastrophe if the interest on the debt is not paid on Tuesday.
    No, Obama will be remembered as a president who bent over backwards trying to strike a deal with a party that has no interest in compromise. Hell, some of them say they won't vote to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances. Raising the debt ceiling isn't even the president's responsibility. It's the ****ing responsibility of congress. If we go into default, Republicans will take the bulk of the blame. In fact, they already are. Just read a poll sometime.


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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I hope if it comes to it, President Obama writes an Executive Order eliminating the debt ceiling. It's only use today, is to beat it over the head of the party in power.
    gosh can you imagine? in the United States... some kind of institutional limit to the ruling parties' power?!?


    that concept would have been totally foreign to the Founding Fathers, no doubt...

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He wants to raise taxes and employ his neat little 1099 law. We already know that.

    Or, he's hoping that the economy really will take a nose dive and he can come in to save the day. Never let a crisis go to waste. Eh?
    I'm sure you really do think the man is shallow, but if you've bothered to really listen to what he's said, he'd be doing pretty much what all parts of society has asked him to do.

    - End both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan quickly and responsibly: He followed through on pulling combat troops from Iraq and directed non-essential support troops home from Afghanistan, and the Reid debt limit bill would have capped non-"war-related activities" in Afghanistan at $1.045 billion for next year; maximum $1.228 billion by 2021.

    - Preserve Social Security and Medicare, but reduce their cost over time by eliminating fraud, waste and abuse. If you've paid attention to the news even FoxNews carried the stories of Medicare fraud that have cost the government millions each year.

    - Generate revenue by eliminating tax loopholes on things major corporations either don't use or have proven they can do without due to their own ability to make big profits in the billions. We stopped subsidizing the ethonal industry recently because it has shown it can be profitable on its own. Why wouldn't we end subsidies for the oil industry who has shown long ago they can be profitable by themselves?

    - Extend the debt limit out beyond 2012. Corporate American has said they need time to regain stability in the markets and rebuild confidence in the American economic system. If you claim you want to preserve the posterity of the county, why the hell wouldn't you want to do what "the free market tells you to do to maintain it?"

    - Not overtax the nation. We'd certainly be doing that if we don't raise the debt limit. Then no one is exempt!

    The President of the United States told America what it wanted on Monday, July 25, 2011. If Sen. McConnell truly means what he said, he'd give the President exactly what he asked for.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Like I said, "What do you want, Mr. President?"
    What the President Wants is make-believe cuts, real tax increases, and another commission to study the entitlements. yeah. that will save the AAA rating



    look, AAA is lost. maybe not today, maybe not Aug 3; but unless we make drastic changes that the current divided government is incapable of, soon.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm sure you really do think the man is shallow, but if you've bothered to really listen to what he's said, he'd be doing pretty much what all parts of society has asked him to do.
    Highlighted that because this is a rather critical point. The President has said plenty of things. He apparently has an entire plan written in his head that nobody is allowed to see. He hasn't done anything.

    Yes, that approach is shallow. Republicans have put out what they want, and what they are willing to accept. They have put it on paper, voted on it, committed to it, and are unable now to back away from it. Meanwhile, the President has equivocated, scolded, and puffed himself up on television while apparently doing nothing useful or productive. The man Really Does Think that giving a speech is the same thing as governing.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Since when did Polls become the soul methods of determining democracy in a debate? This is stupid, i take polls truth with a grain of salt... no matter what or where they sway. You can't trust the mob rule in this situation any way/ There is a lot of misinformation, bias, and politics going on in the media right now getting many people riled up.

    That's not how our system works, The People elected the what congress is right now... if their opinions have changed on their candidates then they will be voted out in the next elections.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, then we can impeach his ass and be done with it.
    even then I don't know if they would go the full Impeachment Route. The Demands from the Tea Party types that it happen would make sure it became an issue, but if the leadership assented it would become an issue of them-attacking-Obama-for-trying-to-save-the-economy story. Letting the Tea Party yell about it while having the Leadership make sure it doesn't actually happen would be a great way to get our cake and eat it too in 2012, however, and it would feed the image that Obama is Big Intrusive Powerful Big Spending Government Who Refuses To Stop.

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    Re: Default is looming

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Since when did Polls become the soul methods of determining democracy in a debate?
    a little under 2/3rds of Americans supported Cut Cap and Balance, and more than two-thirds support a Balanced Budget Amendment.

    when he alters his rhetoric to call for a BBA in light of that, then I'll believe that he actually thinks polls matter.

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