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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

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    Mr.V and others consider those blue collar Joes and Janes to be ****ing chumps and fools for jumping into the disaster and being heroes. Mr.V might tell you that most of the time there's no real money in being a hero so why do it? Better to sit back, figure out how to make a profit on the disaster of others.

    Risky Thicket, apparently is having imaginary conversations with himself, creating arguments that he can then knock down and prove he's righ... wait isn't there a term for that?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you want to keep the VA?
    The VA needs reform, like all government entities, but the country is obligated to care for those that put life and limb on the line for the defense of the country. At least those receiving actually earn the assistance.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The VA needs reform, like all government entities, but the country is obligated to care for those that put life and limb on the line for the defense of the country. At least those receiving actually earn the assistance.
    Like fire fighters and police officers and first responders?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The VA needs reform, like all government entities, but the country is obligated to care for those that put life and limb on the line for the defense of the country. At least those receiving actually earn the assistance.
    Most vets have never seen combat. Try again
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You obviously weren't anywhere near the site in the period shortly after the attack. It was neither the right place, nor the right time
    That makes absolutely no difference.
    Can the emotionalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only thing "right" about what was going on there was the way thousands of workers (almost all of them union members) put aside their own interests to do what was needed to recover the site.
    These union members already have medical coverage, why do they need additional coverage for that could or could not be related to their work around the WTC?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That makes absolutely no difference.
    Can the emotionalism.



    These union members already have medical coverage, why do they need additional coverage for that could or could not be related to their work around the WTC?
    It's likely related to their work, and what they have isn't enough.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That makes absolutely no difference.
    Can the emotionalism.
    That's all you've got. All your arguments in this thread depend on appeals to emotion

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    These union members already have medical coverage, why do they need additional coverage for that could or could not be related to their work around the WTC?
    Another appeal to emotion
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I expected something like that from you. **** the First Responders, right? They knew what they were getting into when they became cops and firemen and medics. It's their own damn fault. If they had only been Libertarian they'd have said, "Nope, not my job. This wasn't in my contract. You need to call private cops, firemen and medics."

    Anyone stupid enough to put their ass out there for the public good is a twat, right Harry?
    Did I say that?
    No.

    What I said is that there is no evidence that the cancers present in some people are directly related to the carcinogens that they were potentially exposed to during and after the WTC attacks.

    1st off, not all of them were exposed to a hazardous level of carcinogens, 2nd exposure to carcinogens does not automatically mean you will develop a cancer related to the exposure, 3rd cancer can develop regardless of whether or not they were exposed to those carcinogens.

    Knowing all that, how can any of you conclusively say that their cancers were a direct result of and should paid for because of the WTC attacks.
    Answer, none.

    You're just caught up in the emotionalism.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Did I say that?
    No.

    What I said is that there is no evidence that the cancers present in some people are directly related to the carcinogens that they were potentially exposed to during and after the WTC attacks.
    And there's no evidence that the VA only treats combat-related illnesses.

    Another appeal to emotion. I thought you were opposed to those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's all you've got. All your arguments in this thread depend on appeals to emotion

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    Another appeal to emotion
    You do not know what an appeal to emotion is.
    Evidence is above.
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