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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    BTW, if respecting those who give for others selflessly is heros worship, count me in. I'm all for it.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I hate to sound callous, but I'm leaning more to the side that our hero culture and culture of entitlement often mix very easily in America. I appreciate what the responders to 9/11 did and I have always wished for them to have coverage for the provable injuries they suffered that day. Having their lungs chemically burned with soot and other burning materials that caused long-term respiratory distress is one aspect that I wanted covered, but a lot of them never received help for it.

    But now... the cancer claim is the opposite extreme. The damnable thing about cancer is that you generally can't prove what the source is unless it is something rapid and immediate like radiation. If we could, then corporations all over America would be getting their asses sued off for dumping chemicals in the environment and selling toxic products.

    The other thing I'm thinking is - what about the other people in the U.S. who put their lives on the line every single day in order to provide us with certain services? Some jobs that come to mind are hydro workers, coal miners, transport truck drivers, nuclear power plant workers, fishermen etc. Why are those people not considered "heroes"?

    You know, back in the blackout of 2003, I was in Toronto when the underground train came to a halt in the tunnels. The city would have been pitch dark if it weren't for the fact it was day light. We barely heard about it but there were stories of hydro workers working 24/7, some of them in dangerous or tiring conditions, to get our power back.

    Hero worship is so arbitrary.
    Some of us think everyone should be covered
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Compassionate conservatism at its finest.
    Why aren't the lining up to donate money to the cause, since they don't support government doing it? They always say they donate more, and that's how these issues should be addressed. If they put there money where their mouth is and start a fund, I'll donate. WTF. This is pathetic.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Reality at it's finest.

    Government cannot do everything, cannot solve every problem and fund every issue. Despite the pipe dreams of the liberals. That's why we're 15,000,000,000,000.00 in the hole and counting.
    Then I'd expect conservatives to be leading the charge in donating money to see that these people are treated with the honor they deserve. If this is how we are going to keep treating our public servants, then we won't have many wanting to do so in the future. They have some of the most dangerous jobs, and the one's I personally know aren't living high on the horse.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Then I'd expect conservatives to be leading the charge in donating money.
    Just don't expect the rich to pony up

    Who are the most generous givers?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post


    Just don't expect the rich to pony up

    Who are the most generous givers?
    The graph really isn't surprising... It makes sense that the poor and struggling would be willing to donate more, because they know what it's like to struggle. The wealthy will invest most of their money. It also seems like there is more of an attitude towards the wealthier that they worker harder and earned it. The poor are lazy, don't work as hard or as smart, so they aren't as entitled to their money... That's kind of the feel of what I get on these boards and the way posters talk though.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Then I'd expect conservatives to be leading the charge in donating money to see that these people are treated with the honor they deserve. If this is how we are going to keep treating our public servants, then we won't have many wanting to do so in the future. They have some of the most dangerous jobs, and the one's I personally know aren't living high on the horse.
    Indeed! <I love the way this woman thinks> In all the stories I've read about 9/11 I don't recall reading about a team of brave stockbrokers rushing in to save people from the peril. Oh, hell no. Where were the Bankers to Save Lives of Ordinary People? Wait...no such group exists. Nope it was blue collar Joes and Janes putting their asses out there for their fellow citizens.

    Mr.V and others consider those blue collar Joes and Janes to be ****ing chumps and fools for jumping into the disaster and being heroes. Mr.V might tell you that most of the time there's no real money in being a hero so why do it? Better to sit back, figure out how to make a profit on the disaster of others.

    No problem 7 years later spending TRILLIONS to help out Wall Street and AIG. But hey, that's the way it goes. If cops and firefighters and medics had any goddamn brains they'd be Libertarians and it'd be "anyway to make a buck".

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Mr.V and others consider those blue collar Joes and Janes to be ****ing chumps and fools for jumping into the disaster and being heroes.
    I believe the proper terms are "parasites" and "leeches"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I say we start by eliminating the VA
    Good idea! Let's see, SS, Medicaide, Medicare are 60% of the budget, and you want to hit the VA...

    For you, it's all political ideology over reality.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Good idea! Let's see, SS, Medicaide, Medicare are 60% of the budget, and you want to hit the VA...

    For you, it's all political ideology over reality.
    So you want to keep the VA?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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