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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

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    there's always detroit



    and the uninsured group experienced 15% lower mortality, after controls, than those stuck in the ghetto

    link above
    Again, if you only understood, hell, if you even wanted to understand, we could have move forward. You don't, so, there's no point.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    there's always detroit



    and the uninsured group experienced 15% lower mortality, after controls, than those stuck in the ghetto

    link above
    Waaaaaaaaay off topic, dude. Are you intentionally diverting it?










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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

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    And frankly, if structure (sic) correctly, we could afford everyone's health care much cheaper than we spend now. We are near the top in spending right now.
    and getting ripped off

    medicaid: "outcomes associated with the longest length of stay, highest total costs and highest mortality"

    ouch

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

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    You have to draw the line somewhere. .
    Compassionate conservatism at its finest.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Compassionate conservatism at its finest.
    Reality at it's finest.

    Government cannot do everything, cannot solve every problem and fund every issue. Despite the pipe dreams of the liberals. That's why we're 15,000,000,000,000.00 in the hole and counting.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Reality at it's finest.

    Government cannot do everything, cannot solve every problem and fund every issue. Despite the pipe dreams of the liberals. That's why we're 15,000,000,000,000.00 in the hole and counting.
    I say we start by eliminating the VA
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Reality at it's finest.

    Government cannot do everything, cannot solve every problem and fund every issue. Despite the pipe dreams of the liberals. That's why we're 15,000,000,000,000.00 in the hole and counting.
    No one is suggesting they do, so no need for the hyperbolic strawman.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    I hate to sound callous, but I'm leaning more to the side that our hero culture and culture of entitlement often mix very easily in America. I appreciate what the responders to 9/11 did and I have always wished for them to have coverage for the provable injuries they suffered that day. Having their lungs chemically burned with soot and other burning materials that caused long-term respiratory distress is one aspect that I wanted covered, but a lot of them never received help for it.

    But now... the cancer claim is the opposite extreme. The damnable thing about cancer is that you generally can't prove what the source is unless it is something rapid and immediate like radiation. If we could, then corporations all over America would be getting their asses sued off for dumping chemicals in the environment and selling toxic products.

    The other thing I'm thinking is - what about the other people in the U.S. who put their lives on the line every single day in order to provide us with certain services? Some jobs that come to mind are hydro workers, coal miners, transport truck drivers, nuclear power plant workers, fishermen etc. Why are those people not considered "heroes"?

    You know, back in the blackout of 2003, I was in Toronto when the underground train came to a halt in the tunnels. The city would have been pitch dark if it weren't for the fact it was day light. We barely heard about it but there were stories of hydro workers working 24/7, some of them in dangerous or tiring conditions, to get our power back.

    Hero worship is so arbitrary.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer - CNN.com

    Really? Of all the things that we should be able to spend money on...
    This doesn't make sense. It was directly related to their job, and it's just not right.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I hate to sound callous, but I'm leaning more to the side that our hero culture and culture of entitlement often mix very easily in America. I appreciate what the responders to 9/11 did and I have always wished for them to have coverage for the provable injuries they suffered that day. Having their lungs chemically burned with soot and other burning materials that caused long-term respiratory distress is one aspect that I wanted covered, but a lot of them never received help for it.

    But now... the cancer claim is the opposite extreme. The damnable thing about cancer is that you generally can't prove what the source is unless it is something rapid and immediate like radiation. If we could, then corporations all over America would be getting their asses sued off for dumping chemicals in the environment and selling toxic products.

    The other thing I'm thinking is - what about the other people in the U.S. who put their lives on the line every single day in order to provide us with certain services? Some jobs that come to mind are hydro workers, coal miners, transport truck drivers, nuclear power plant workers, fishermen etc. Why are those people not considered "heroes"?

    You know, back in the blackout of 2003, I was in Toronto when the underground train came to a halt in the tunnels. The city would have been pitch dark if it weren't for the fact it was day light. We barely heard about it but there were stories of hydro workers working 24/7, some of them in dangerous or tiring conditions, to get our power back.

    Hero worship is so arbitrary.
    You can make a reasonable assumption that such exposure leads to cancer. Absent of evidence to the contrary, they should be covered.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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