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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is also a casual link found between those people and their proximity to NYC.
    Maybe we should set up a fund to cover all people, who get cancer, that have also spent time in NYC.
    Well, I'm for covering everybody in the country so this wouldn't be a problem
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

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    Well, I'm for covering everybody in the country so this wouldn't be a problem
    There is really no reason to offer any extra benefits to people who worked on the 9/11 site, that other people in similar positions don't recieve, just because they weren't at the right place and the right time.

    The entire premise of this is an appeal to emotion, that somehow these people are more noble and more deserving than others, when they necessary aren't.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    For me it would depend on whether or not there were a reasonable correlation between 9/11 and the cancer.
    I don't think itmatters at all. These people risked their lives, ran into the breech, for us. We can take a hit for them.



    That said, it is not hard at all to make a reasonable correlation. Look at what all they were in.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    You have to draw the line somewhere. Unless you can prove, that 9/11 caused cancer, and it was directly because of on the job events...

    This is just emotionalism. We cannot afford to pay for everyone's healthcare, that's just reality.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You have to draw the line somewhere. Unless you can prove, that 9/11 caused cancer, and it was directly because of on the job events...

    This is just emotionalism. We cannot afford to pay for everyone's healthcare, that's just reality.
    Do you? At worse, it would not add up to effort to have any major effect. But still, the line should not be this low.

    And frankly, if structure correctly, we could afford everyone's health care much cheaper than we spend now. We are near the top in spending right now.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    just because they weren't at the right place and the right time.
    You obviously weren't anywhere near the site in the period shortly after the attack. It was neither the right place, nor the right time

    The only thing "right" about what was going on there was the way thousands of workers (almost all of them union members) put aside their own interests to do what was needed to recover the site.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    At worse, it would not add up to effort to have any major effect.
    pardon?

    And frankly, if structure (sic) correctly, we could afford everyone's health care much cheaper than we spend now.
    well, the current model sure aint working

    did you know that, according to the asa's citation of the now world famous uva study, americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE actually fare BETTER (shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality) than their less fortunate friends and fellows whose primary care status is MEDICAID, the ghetto of american health care

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    that's, of course, AFTER controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    pardon?



    well, the current model sure aint working

    did you know that, according to the asa's citation of the now world famous uva study, americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE actually fare BETTER (shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality) than their less fortunate friends and fellows whose primary care status is MEDICAID, the ghetto of american health care

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    that's, of course, AFTER controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions

    facts make formidable foes
    Like I told you, I wish you understood what you're reading. Until you do, there's no where to go.

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is also a casual link found between those people and their proximity to NYC.
    Maybe we should set up a fund to cover all people, who get cancer, that have also spent time in NYC.
    I expected something like that from you. **** the First Responders, right? They knew what they were getting into when they became cops and firemen and medics. It's their own damn fault. If they had only been Libertarian they'd have said, "Nope, not my job. This wasn't in my contract. You need to call private cops, firemen and medics."

    Anyone stupid enough to put their ass out there for the public good is a twat, right Harry?










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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    there's no where to go
    there's always detroit

    From 2003-2007, 893,658 major surgical operations were evaluated using the Nationwide Inpatient Sample (NIS) database: lung resection, esophagectomy, colectomy, pancreatectomy, gastrectomy, abdominal aortic aneurysm repair, hip replacement, and coronary artery bypass. Patients were stratified by primary payer status: Medicare (n=491,829), Medicaid (n=40,259), Private Insurance (n=337,535), and Uninsured (n=24,035).

    Importantly, after controlling for age, gender, income, geographic region, operation, and 30 comorbid conditions, Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs. In addition, Medicaid and Uninsured payer status independently conferred the highest adjusted risks of mortality.
    and the uninsured group experienced 15% lower mortality, after controls, than those stuck in the ghetto

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