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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Just to clarify my position on this.
    I think those with supposed conditions, from the fall out from the WTC, should have provisional coverage for their conditions until it is determined that it is the actual cause of their condition.

    I just really hate all the emotive reasoning obscuring the actual causes for this.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    thank god the responders value your lives more than some of you value theirs.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Reality at it's finest.

    Government cannot do everything, cannot solve every problem and fund every issue. Despite the pipe dreams of the liberals. That's why we're 15,000,000,000,000.00 in the hole and counting.
    Okay, let's put on the table those things that you cherish and cut them. I mean your attitude is f everyone but me. So, let's start with you, what do you want to give up, and don't say Medicaid for the poor, because I am hoping you ain't poor. Brother, I am American, and I am willing to sarifice, what are you willing to give up.

    With all due respect to you, I don't know you, so I have to assume that you love your freedom, I know I love mine. But, we are in debt crisis, so nothing is off limits. We have to cut those things that allow me to enjoy my freedom, e.g., military, police, intelligence agencies, fire, emergency responders, etc. This includes the men and women who put on the uniform. Are you willing to make cuts here. Seems fair, you want to make cuts and pay less taxes, so let's cut here, so you are less protected.

    Again I assume you like to travel to the store to purchase supplies, or you like to travel with you family to Disneyland, or you may just drive to work. Again, with all due respect, I don't know you, but I know I like to travel. If we cut, we need to cut here, this means no repair to roads and bridges, not traffic control devices, no mass transportation, no airports or harbors or rail centers, no air controllers. Seems fair, you want Americans to sacrifice, shouldn't you sacrifice this luxury?

    Point I am making is this, you want sacrifice, what sacrifice are you willing to make on your end, not someone else's end? I don't see that coming from the Right. All I see is we need to cut and the Corps need to pay less then they pay now?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just to clarify my position on this.
    I think those with supposed conditions, from the fall out from the WTC, should have provisional coverage for their conditions until it is determined that it is the actual cause of their condition.

    I just really hate all the emotive reasoning obscuring the actual causes for this.
    Really, you hate the emotional reasoning involving 9-11? Wow, I don't know about you, but 9-11 scarred me to the point that the thought of that infamous day makes me angry.

    Unfortunately, emotions stir a lot of policies and politics. The right is stirred every time health care reform is mentioned, the moral conservative is pissed off if you mention abortion and gays, the leftist get mad if you want to thin a forest because they want to save an owl instead of the forest, or the liberal that wants to give the farm to the lazy a hole that wants to drain society, or the Arizona Conservo Nut that talks about their hero Sheriff Joe (sorry had to put that one in their for my AZ brothers who love this idiot).

    You know what makes me emotional? When I hear that those who make the ultimate sacrifice get screwed, e.g. Wounded disabled vets, Vietnam vets who were spat on, Vietnam Vets who were sprayed with a herbicide and those in gov't who had the same attitude "we need more studies to prove agent orange caused your cancer." Or Americans and Politicos who refuse to study history and keep repeating it, e.g. Vietnam Vs Iraq, Agent Orange Vs. the pollutants from the twin towers crashing to the ground.

    Sorry, this topic will always be emotional. I still get pissed everytime I see the planes fly into the Twin Towers.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Okay, let's put on the table those things that you cherish and cut them. I mean your attitude is f everyone but me. So, let's start with you, what do you want to give up, and don't say Medicaid for the poor, because I am hoping you ain't poor. Brother, I am American, and I am willing to sarifice, what are you willing to give up.

    With all due respect to you, I don't know you, so I have to assume that you love your freedom, I know I love mine. But, we are in debt crisis, so nothing is off limits. We have to cut those things that allow me to enjoy my freedom, e.g., military, police, intelligence agencies, fire, emergency responders, etc. This includes the men and women who put on the uniform. Are you willing to make cuts here. Seems fair, you want to make cuts and pay less taxes, so let's cut here, so you are less protected.

    Again I assume you like to travel to the store to purchase supplies, or you like to travel with you family to Disneyland, or you may just drive to work. Again, with all due respect, I don't know you, but I know I like to travel. If we cut, we need to cut here, this means no repair to roads and bridges, not traffic control devices, no mass transportation, no airports or harbors or rail centers, no air controllers. Seems fair, you want Americans to sacrifice, shouldn't you sacrifice this luxury?

    Point I am making is this, you want sacrifice, what sacrifice are you willing to make on your end, not someone else's end? I don't see that coming from the Right. All I see is we need to cut and the Corps need to pay less then they pay now?
    Damn that was good!! I hope you don't mind when (not if) I steal that argument.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    I'm ok with less protection. Go ahead.

    Next?

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Damn that was good!! I hope you don't mind when (not if) I steal that argument.
    go for it.
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm ok with less protection. Go ahead.

    Next?
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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer - CNN.com

    Really? Of all the things that we should be able to spend money on...
    Would a trillion dollars cover it?

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    Re: Program won't cover 9/11 responders for cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Okay, let's put on the table those things that you cherish and cut them. I mean your attitude is f everyone but me. So, let's start with you, what do you want to give up, and don't say Medicaid for the poor, because I am hoping you ain't poor. Brother, I am American, and I am willing to sarifice, what are you willing to give up.

    With all due respect to you, I don't know you, so I have to assume that you love your freedom, I know I love mine. But, we are in debt crisis, so nothing is off limits. We have to cut those things that allow me to enjoy my freedom, e.g., military, police, intelligence agencies, fire, emergency responders, etc. This includes the men and women who put on the uniform. Are you willing to make cuts here. Seems fair, you want to make cuts and pay less taxes, so let's cut here, so you are less protected.

    Again I assume you like to travel to the store to purchase supplies, or you like to travel with you family to Disneyland, or you may just drive to work. Again, with all due respect, I don't know you, but I know I like to travel. If we cut, we need to cut here, this means no repair to roads and bridges, not traffic control devices, no mass transportation, no airports or harbors or rail centers, no air controllers. Seems fair, you want Americans to sacrifice, shouldn't you sacrifice this luxury?

    Point I am making is this, you want sacrifice, what sacrifice are you willing to make on your end, not someone else's end? I don't see that coming from the Right. All I see is we need to cut and the Corps need to pay less then they pay now?
    1) Nobody is saying that corporations should pay less, only that it wouldn't be a good idea to make them pay more.

    2) American businesses have been and will be making plenty of sacrifices, due to government intervention for decades, now.

    3) Maybe the stealfromus money would have been better spent, had it gone to something like this vice funding research trips to China to look dinosaur eggs. Or, maybe we could have done without a few unicorn milk programs?

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