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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    You take a sip of hot coffee and burn your tongue so you sue McDonalds.. The person that did that actually won and got damages, and now on the bottom of their cups is the message 'The beverage you are about to enjoy is hot.'..

    Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    $640,000 for being a dufus when it comes to drinking a hot cup of jo..
    That case is not so much a case of people shouldn't be allowed to sue; it has more to do with the stupidity of juries these days. Which is another big problem we actually have with the system
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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Some facts about the case...

    1 - She wasn't driving.
    She still put the cup of HOT coffee between her legs. This is not a smart thing to do regardless if you are in a car,at home or in the office.

    2 - The temp of the coffee was proven to be FAR too hot and would absolutely cause serious burns.
    The coffee was served at or near optimal temperature. Therefore the claim it was far too hot is ludicrous.
    How To Brew Coffee - National Coffee Association
    Your brewer should maintain a water temperature between 195 - 205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction. Colder water will result in flat, underextracted coffee while water that is too hot will also cause a loss of quality in the taste of the coffee.

    snip...

    Brewed coffee should be enjoyed immediately!

    Pour it into a warmed mug or coffee cup so that it will maintain its temperature as long as possible. Brewed coffee begins to lose its optimal taste moments after brewing so only brew as much coffee as will be consumed immediately. If it will be a few minutes before it will be served, the temperature should be maintained at 180 - 185 degrees Fahrenheit.



    BUNN Coffee Basics: Holding and Serving Know How
    Ideal serving temperature: 155F to 175F (70C to 80C)




    3 - McDonald's had a history of people being terribly burned by their coffee. They knew it was dangerous.
    People cut themselves with razor blades all the time.Should razor blade companies start making their blades dull because of accidents and idiots? Should razor blade companies start demanding that people take a IQ test before buying their products?

    4 - The lid was part of the problem.
    How was the lid part of the problem when she removed it so that she can put cream and sugar in it? The lid is an non-issue. Its like saying the motorist was not wearing a seat-belt when he got out of his car to pay for gas and two guys robbed and beat the **** out of him.
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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    LegalNewsline | Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    BOOYAH! Proud day for the Citizens of the Lone Star State (And South Carolina too )
    I agree with a loser pays system. However there should be the following safe guards in place in order to prevent fraud and abuse.

    1. The loser only pays for one lawyer's services or however many lawyers the loser used in the case.

    2.The loser only pays the going rate for the average lawyer, not what ever Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro makes. unless of course the loser used a high priced lawyer in the trial.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That case is not so much a case of people shouldn't be allowed to sue; it has more to do with the stupidity of juries these days. Which is another big problem we actually have with the system
    That further highlights the problem with this law. We live in a country where a jury let OJ walk free. Would you gamble even if you thought you had a good case?
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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    The facts are straight

    1.Only retard puts a cup of hot liquids between their legs and then proceeds to take the lid off.

    2.The coffee was served at optimum temperature.

    3.No one should be awarded money because they were injured due to their own stupidity or carelessness. It would be like awarding a fat person money because they out of their own free will chose to eat nothing but fast food and not exercise.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That further highlights the problem with this law. We live in a country where a jury let OJ walk free. Would you gamble even if you thought you had a good case?
    That's the real problem I see with laws like this one. If we don't define "frivilous" well enough (and judges can already toss cases out of court as stands), now there is more incentive not to sue. That's not particularly a good thing, our court system was meant to be open and people meant to have access to it. Now a company can just say "well we're going to hire a very expensive team, so I hope you have the money to cover their bill" to intimidate people out of suing. If these laws are not made well, they will act more AGAINST the People than for.
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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's the real problem I see with laws like this one. If we don't define "frivilous" well enough (and judges can already toss cases out of court as stands), now there is more incentive not to sue. That's not particularly a good thing, our court system was meant to be open and people meant to have access to it. Now a company can just say "well we're going to hire a very expensive team, so I hope you have the money to cover their bill" to intimidate people out of suing. If these laws are not made well, they will act more AGAINST the People than for.
    this is why I support the following stipulations.


    1. The loser only pays for one lawyer's services or however many lawyers the loser used in their case.

    2.The loser only pays the going rate for the average lawyer, not what ever Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro makes. unless of course the loser uses a high priced lawyer in the trial.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-28-11 at 12:07 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    this is why I support the following stipulations.


    1. The loser only pays for one lawyer's services.

    2.The loser only pays the going rate for the average lawyer, not what ever Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro makes.
    Those are ok. I'm still hesitant about the law though. I don't want to close off the courts to the People. But it could be made very well and in a way in which it does what it intended to do from the start. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Given the entanglement of State and Corporation and that all the laws and bailouts and subsidies go to benefit large corps over the People; I fear this law is in that light.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Governors of Texas, South Carolina sign tort reform into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's the real problem I see with laws like this one. If we don't define "frivilous" well enough (and judges can already toss cases out of court as stands), now there is more incentive not to sue. That's not particularly a good thing, our court system was meant to be open and people meant to have access to it. Now a company can just say "well we're going to hire a very expensive team, so I hope you have the money to cover their bill" to intimidate people out of suing. If these laws are not made well, they will act more AGAINST the People than for.
    Everything has tradeoffs. I prefer the tradeoff of having a more open legal system where it is easier to sue, but the system gets abused a bit, than having a system where people won't sue when they should, and perfectly reasonable lawsuits can cost those filing them a years income or more.
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