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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    absent that credible fiscal consolidation, how can leadership ask responsible americans for a LONG TERM loan?

    sobriety, anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Early next year, a new Congress will be seated with new members
    unbelievable

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    My bad. Early 2013
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Tea Party had no one in Congress when TARP was passed

    And it wasn't Obama who starting attaching preconditions to the negotiations. The repubs started out by insisting that any bill to raise the debt ceiling MUST include spending reductions. They are still clinging desperately to that position, and will not compromise even though Obama and dems have said that they are willing to vote on a "stand alone" bill that raises the debt ceiling and does nothing else (ie no tax increases AND no spending cuts).

    The repubs stubbornly insist on spending cuts are will not offer anything in return
    You're missing the point. You want to blame the tea party for a debt ceiling mess brought about by policies they vociferously opposed.

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    I can't help but be reminded of Obama's attitude a couple of years ago "they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

    Well the ride's over. You crashed the car and can't afford the $500 repair bill. Now you're whining about it being the fault of the guys in the back seat because one would rather walk than pay for your repairs, and although the other wants to loan you the $500 to get back on the road... he has the audacity to suggest that you not only pay back the loan , but that you tack on an extra 1.6%! -- and you're supposed to do all of that in just ten years???

    Any sane person can see that the help they're offering is simply not fair! I mean, you only take in $5000 a year - how can you be expected to pay back $50 each year and still afford an extra 83 cents on top of it all? - the burden that would put on your lifestyle is almost unthinkable! I gotta say I'm convinced now that they never intended to help... it's all a ploy to ensure your baby will never see a doctor, and to force you to cut grandma loose from the security of your home, left to wander the darker alleys of the worst slums...

    This predicament they've put you in is simply unbelievable! I'm so mad I could spit.
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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    I think you're a little confused about who broke the car. But apparently you're upset that the Democrats aren't fixing it fast enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think you're a little confused about who broke the car.
    Oh my, no! The whole situation is obviously the fault of those damn neocons!, -- wait scratch that --, it's obviously the fault of those damn tea partiers!.

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    But apparently you're upset that the Democrats aren't fixing it fast enough?
    Good lord no! -- wait scratch that -- Good heavens no! -- wait, scratch that too -- Great Caesars Ghost! As responsible and brilliant as the Democrats are, it simply wouldn't be right for them to fix it. Not if Fairness has anything to say about it!

    Hold on now... see at that guy over there? -- he definitely looks like he has some money he doesn't need. I'll bet he's a damn racist, too!

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Considering that Boeher's plan was scored by the CBO first, I'll concede Reid's could be viewed as a "copy-cat", but that doesn't mean the Dems aren't serious about spending cuts. It just means he found a way to try and 1-up the House plan. And per the CBO, it is Boeher's plan that looks like the one calculated using "fuzzy math" because both baselines he used - March and January 2011 - came up short of his projected numbers. So, although Reid might have copied from Boehner, Reid's plan was closer to having the number jibe per the CBO.

    If I were a member of Congress regardless of which chamber or which party, I'd be willing to vote for Boehner's plan if the timeline for reaching the debt limit as increased were pushed back to 2013. Not because 2012 is an election year, but because doing so would provide the markets breathing room and much needed certainty. As I've mentioned in atleast two other threads where past debt limits were raised (between 2003-2008), none were longer than 1-year. Furthermore, I've had some time to think about it and I could agree to freezing spending at 2010 levels as long as certain provisions apply, i.e., emergency situations (wars, natural/man-made disasters) or the ability to shift spending between programs, as needed, without going over the 2010 baseline, and the Bush tax cuts were to expire because the country could really use the revenue. The Republicans could even include a provision that ensures that all the new revenue went directly towards paying down the debt. Once the nation has a surplus, those revenues could go toward infrastructure projects or investing in new technology, etc.

    Give up those provisions, and you get your spending freeze. I think that's fair.
    One thing I forgot to mention in my post above, per Art 1, Section 7 of the Constitution:

    All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
    Although the focus in these debt limit debts has been about cutting spending, the underlying theme is about raising the government's credit limit, i.e., revenue. Clause 2 further outlines how a bill becomes a law beginning in the House. Therefore, regardless if Sen. Reid's debt limit bill would have been drafted and scored first by the CBO, he couldn't submit his plan until the House brought Boehner's to the floor and voted accordingly on it.

    Just wanted to make that point known in case some didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh my, no! The whole situation is obviously the fault of those damn neocons!, -- wait scratch that --, it's obviously the fault of those damn tea partiers!.


    Good lord no! -- wait scratch that -- Good heavens no! -- wait, scratch that too -- Great Caesars Ghost! As responsible and brilliant as the Democrats are, it simply wouldn't be right for them to fix it. Not if Fairness has anything to say about it!

    Hold on now... see at that guy over there? -- he definitely looks like he has some money he doesn't need. I'll bet he's a damn racist, too!
    Wait, are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You're missing the point. You want to blame the tea party for a debt ceiling mess brought about by policies they vociferously opposed.
    Yes, I do hold the teabaggers partially responsible for the stalemate over the debt ceiling. They may not have created the problem, but they were elected to fix it.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh my, no! The whole situation is obviously the fault of those damn neocons!, -- wait scratch that --, it's obviously the fault of those damn tea partiers!.


    Good lord no! -- wait scratch that -- Good heavens no! -- wait, scratch that too -- Great Caesars Ghost! As responsible and brilliant as the Democrats are, it simply wouldn't be right for them to fix it. Not if Fairness has anything to say about it!

    Hold on now... see at that guy over there? -- he definitely looks like he has some money he doesn't need. I'll bet he's a damn racist, too!
    Actually, I think many have been clear that they hold people from both parties responsible, while recognizing that most of the debt was piled up under republican presidents, with a good deal of it piling up under bush* while the repubs controlled both the house and the senate
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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