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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    [QUOTE=Objective Voice;1059691530]I know exactly what it means. It means restricting spending to only what the country takes in each year and the country would never go for it.

    That would be balancing the budget.

    What it means is that next years spending is the same as this years spending, frozen, not growing. It means that they cannot use baseline budgeting for next years spending, they have to use numbers that reflect the actual amount spent to create the new budget
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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So in you opinion the fact that we have increased spending just over the last three years by nearly 800 billion dollars .. . that you don't think we can live within that structure ??? If thats the case … then it's true .. this country is shot .
    Maybe we can. I'd hope that we could, but I'd rather that our government would not take that chance. That's the primary reason a balanced budget amendment with such restrictions would never pass. Besides, you say that now but just as we didn't see this economic chaos happening just a mere six years ago, whose to say we won't run into a similar problem some 10-20 years from now? Moreover, the government still has to purchase from the open market. Even our current contract bidding process relies on the cost of materials from private companies who themselves work within the framework of a free market. IN short, the cost of materials is bond to go up over time. We may take the lowest bidder, but parts still cost and their cost are subject to the free market system. Cost have been going up lately, right?

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    What it means is that next years spending is the same as this years spending, frozen. It means that they cannot use baseline budgeting for next years spending, they have to use numbers that reflect the actual amount spent to create the new budget
    Again, why didn't Boehner's plan call for doing that in the first place if it was such a novel concept? Like I said, once again your side's trying to move the goal post.

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    -chuckles- I'm having a hard time keeping up here .... first you argue that we can't freeze spending at 2011 levels ... because we need room to spend in case of emergencys..... now you are arguing that we should have more spending "cuts" because it's a democratic plan ?? I would think you would be more in favor of the Republican plan that has less cuts ??

    and you say our side can't stand that ?
    Don't get it twisted. I'm for the government doing everything it can to get their spending under control as long as they do so in a responsible manner. Part of that means not backing yourself in a corner in case of an emergency, i.e., a war, natural or man-made disaster, i.e., another 9/11 or Katrina. What I would like is for people with a conscience to do as the Constitution says and abid by the very laws they right and following the rules in their respective chambers. If they do that and stop kneeling to lobbyist and/or corporate interest, our government if not Congress would be so much better off.

    I know, I know...sounds very much like the Tea Party, right? Only problem is they're acting more like the radical bunch than the responsible ones.
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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, why didn't Boehner's plan call for doing that in the first place if it was such a novel concept? Like I said, once again your side's trying to move the goal post.
    I think he didn't try that because the actual cuts made with a spending freeze are more severe than the plan he has now and would never pass Harrys senate. The only one passing plans is the House, so I don't see how you can say that they are moving the goal posts, unless you mean that they are getting closer every time the House passes a new plan. The current plan is less cuts than any previous one. And still no new taxes, so nothing has changed there either.

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Maybe we can. I'd hope that we could, but I'd rather that our government would not take that chance. That's the primary reason a balanced budget amendment with such restrictions would never pass. Besides, you say that now but just as we didn't see this economic chaos happening just a mere six years ago, whose to say we won't run into a similar problem some 10-20 years from now? Moreover, the government still has to purchase from the open market. Even our current contract bidding process relies on the cost of materials from private companies who themselves work within the framework of a free market. IN short, the cost of materials is bond to go up over time. We may take the lowest bidder, but parts still cost and their cost are subject to the free market system. Cost have been going up lately, right?
    okay so you are in favor of no lid on government spending at all .. just keep borrowing whatever we need ... and keep right on spending as we have been ?

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I think he didn't try that because the actual cuts made with a spending freeze are more severe than the plan he has now and would never pass Harrys senate. The only one passing plans is the House, so I don't see how you can say that they are moving the goal posts, unless you mean that they are getting closer every time the House passes a new plan. The current plan is less cuts than any previous one. And still no new taxes, so nothing has changed there either.
    Yes, but that just brings us back to my original point, doesn't it? That Sen. Reid's plan cuts more over the same period and targets pretty much the same areas. I'm sure if Reid went back and tweaked his bill somewhat, he could ensure some upfront-cuts, too, and perhaps get more spending cuts without the so-called "gimmicks" your side have proclaimed them to be.

    As I said, the CBO threw Boehner a bone and now he's got something to champion his people to his cause. HURRAY!!

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    okay so you are in favor of no lid on government spending at all .. just keep borrowing whatever we need ... and keep right on spending as we have been ?
    Borrow when we need, yes.

    Keep right on spending as we have been, no. Honest, responsible government dictates.

    Put people of integrity in office who aren't affraid to stand on priciple and follow the laws of the land - the very laws they write under rules they set to government by while in chambers - and I don't doubt our government can live within its means. Utopian...?...maybe, but you have to admit it's so much better than what we have in Congress right now.

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    [QUOTE As I said, the CBO threw Boehner a bone and now he's got something to champion his people to his cause. HURRAY!! [/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure what you are upset about, Boehner has a plan that can pass both the house and the senate, Rieds plan will probably not pass the house as the freshman are not carrying water for Obama, so won't buy into the faux cuts in his plan, and there are not enough democrats to pass it with out them. I thought you wanted the debt limit raised, this is the plan with the best chance of getting to Obamas desk. Then we can see what he does with his one vote.

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    Re: Boehner issues blunt warning to debt dissenters

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Don't get it twisted. I'm for the government doing everything it can to get their spending under control as long as they do so in a responsible manner. Part of that means not backing yourself in a corner in case of an emergency, i.e., a war, natural or man-made disaster, i.e., another 9/11 or Katrina. What I would like is for people with a conscience to do as the Constitution says and abid by the very laws they right and following the rules in their respective chambers. If they do that and stop kneeling to lobbyist and/or corporate interest, our government if not Congress would be so much better off.

    I know, I know...sounds very much like the Tea Party, right? Only problem is they're acting more like the radical bunch than the responsible ones.
    okay now we are getting somewhere .. . and yes .. some in the tea party are acting radical, just as some of the left is actiing radical .. . thankfully ... or hopefully .. those few acting as such .. do not represnt what either side is really about.

    We agree on this... we have to get everyone out of government except the people, the only way to do that ... is to take 5 or 10 dollars from everyones tax returns .. put that in an election fund .. and each party recieves half in any election year, and thats it .. you make do with that. That takes corporations, unions, and business out of the mix. If they can't give to your campaign you owe them no faovrs.

    In my view we must see real ... provable ... cuts, after 20 or 30 years of reckless spending I'm not going to buy into cuts that will be made down the road, we've been fed that story far to often ... prove that spending can be reined in... programs that are broke work to make them more efficient. programs like SS and Medicare need to be revised to give them some stability for future generations ... once you show me you can do those things ... then come to me in the form of more taxes to help us out of this mess.

    I'm sorry, I can't blame republicans in this matter, they were elected (many of them) in 2010 to do something to stop this spending train, thats what they were elected to do, and thats what they are trying to do. I realize that lately it's a novel concept to do what you were elected to do, but in all appearances they do seem to be doing that. Quite frankly I find that rather refreshing, even if they do things I don't agree with.

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