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GE moving X-ray business to China

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Wasn't/Isn't G.E.’s chief executive, Jeffrey Immelt, the chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness? I guess he's getting out before he has to start paying taxes. This should be great for the 2012 campaign. Even paying no taxes could keep Obama's business buddy from moving business interests to China.

GE's slogan should read: Progress to China is our most important product.

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GE owns CBS and CBS is Obama's voice, so Obama won't even question Immelt's decision about this GE's move even though Obama is (supposedly) working on job creation extremely hard :mrgreen:. Obama has to pay back for CBS' Obama faithful support.
 
I would say taxes are way down the list. They matter far less than many argue.

You can't be raising taxes on corporations already finding it hard to compete.
 
I think I gave examples earlier. But let me try again. Here's a real life example. There's a wife and mother who is ill, mental illness, husband has to take her and the kid to work with him, for everyone's safety.

No he doesn't. That's a choice he made. She has a mental illness. Obviously she must be dangerous. Put her somewhere that can handle her.

He recently had a kid with her. Please describe this condition that makes her suddenly so dangerous.
 
You can't be raising taxes on corporations already finding it hard to compete.

sure he can. he just refuses to accept that doing so will make it harder, or even impossible. rich people, you see, are magic, and they just produce money and jobs ad infinitum. you can tax them regulate them as much as you want, and the only reason they would ever stop producing jobs or money is if they are economic traitors.
 
GE owns CBS and CBS is Obama's voice, so Obama won't even question Immelt's decision about this GE's move even though Obama is (supposedly) working on job creation extremely hard :mrgreen:. Obama has to pay back for CBS' Obama faithful support.

GE Owns about 49% of NBC with comcast the remaining share. GE has nothing to do with CBS, which used to be owned by Westinghouse


So why is CBS Obama voice
 
You can't be raising taxes on corporations already finding it hard to compete.

US companies are not finding it hard to compete. Many are doing just fine. American labor costs, from the ground up are expensive compared to some other countries. In order to raise profits companies that can outsource due so. A 2.5% excise tax on medical equipment sold in the US is not going to cost that much in profits to a single company as it will be applied to all medical devices. Boston Scientific is cutting salaries due to high cost structures (and potentially adjusting to a cut in medicare/medicaid) It is expanding in China because China has a huge potential market, and a lower cost structure (vastly lower wages) but China also has far higher risks and levels of uncertainty then the US, you can not count on the Chinese legal system to enforce laws that should protect Boston Sci (or other companies).
 
No he doesn't. That's a choice he made. She has a mental illness. Obviously she must be dangerous. Put her somewhere that can handle her.

He recently had a kid with her. Please describe this condition that makes her suddenly so dangerous.

Dangerous? No. She wasn't. She would have simply been at the hospital run up a bill they couldn't pay. She believed her daughter had cancer, fixated on a condition that ahd no symptoms, thus no way to prove lack of the cancer to her. Back then there were no real medical or chemical aids to help with the phobia. Traditional treatment was failing them. She went to the er everyday, sometimes twice a day or more. He became the control.

And yes, he had a kid with her, as there was no sign that anything like this would happen. It took them years, years to finally find some help. During that time they went bankrupt, lost everything, but were able to find peace once medicine caught up. They are not alone.

The point is, it is easy to make a judgements when you're not wlaking in someone else's shoes. That's an old time saying. Old school thought.
 
sure he can. he just refuses to accept that doing so will make it harder, or even impossible. rich people, you see, are magic, and they just produce money and jobs ad infinitum. you can tax them regulate them as much as you want, and the only reason they would ever stop producing jobs or money is if they are economic traitors.

Hyperbole was never your strong suit. :roll:
 
it is easy to make a judgements (sic) when you're not wlaking (sic) in someone else's shoes.

who's judging?

the average american living below the poverty line today---and there are FORTY MILLION among us to choose from---is living with cable, internet, a dvd, air conditioning, cell phone...

the average american in poverty today, however, does not have a printer

the facts speak for themselves, multiplied by FORTY MILLION

if the average american below the poverty line today gets sick and has NO INSURANCE, then he or she will actually fare better in our still best health care system in the world than will those whose primary pay status is defined as medicare, the ghetto of us health care
 
who's judging?

the average american living below the poverty line today---and there are FORTY MILLION among us to choose from---is living with cable, internet, a dvd, air conditioning, cell phone...

the average american in poverty today, however, does not have a printer

the facts speak for themselves, multiplied by FORTY MILLION

if the average american below the poverty line today gets sick and has NO INSURANCE, then he or she will actually fare better in our still best health care system in the world than will those whose primary pay status is defined as medicare, the ghetto of us health care

Very few stats actually speak for themselves. Someone has to make a judgement about what those numbers mean.
 
LOL!

98% of the FORTY MILLION americans below the poverty line today owning a tv means 39,200,000 americans in poverty today have a tv and 800,000 don't

81% of the FORTY MILLION, by the way, have a microwave, 78% air conditioning, 65% a second tv, 65% a dvd, 64% cable, 55% a cell phone, 32% a third tv...

did you know that almost one in five americans in poverty today actually owns a GIANT FLAT SCREEN TV?

that's a FACT (according to the dept of energy)

EIGHT MILLION flat screen tv's require an awful lot of interpreting

get to work
 
LOL!

98% of the FORTY MILLION americans below the poverty line today owning a tv means 39,200,000 americans in poverty today have a tv and 800,000 don't

81% of the FORTY MILLION, by the way, have a microwave, 78% air conditioning, 65% a second tv, 65% a dvd, 64% cable, 55% a cell phone, 32% a third tv...

did you know that almost one in five americans in poverty today actually owns a GIANT FLAT SCREEN TV?

that's a FACT (according to the dept of energy)

EIGHT MILLION flat screen tv's require an awful lot of interpreting

get to work

Please if your going to throw out these "facts" please post a source almighty prof...
 
This is why I am against outsourcing. Free trade just allows everyone to trade jobs and manufacturing to China.

Free Trade can work. It just needs tariffs applied to countries who violate human rights laws.
 
US companies are not finding it hard to compete.

To be blunt, you are full of ****.

Many are doing just fine.

And many are not.

American labor costs, from the ground up are expensive compared to some other countries. In order to raise profits companies that can outsource due so. A 2.5% excise tax on medical equipment sold in the US is not going to cost that much in profits to a single company as it will be applied to all medical devices. Boston Scientific is cutting salaries due to high cost structures (and potentially adjusting to a cut in medicare/medicaid) It is expanding in China because China has a huge potential market, and a lower cost structure (vastly lower wages) but China also has far higher risks and levels of uncertainty then the US, you can not count on the Chinese legal system to enforce laws that should protect Boston Sci (or other companies).

Labor costs do have an impact, just as taxes a so many regulations do.
 
Dangerous? No. She wasn't. She would have simply been at the hospital run up a bill they couldn't pay. She believed her daughter had cancer, fixated on a condition that ahd no symptoms, thus no way to prove lack of the cancer to her. Back then there were no real medical or chemical aids to help with the phobia. Traditional treatment was failing them. She went to the er everyday, sometimes twice a day or more. He became the control.

And yes, he had a kid with her, as there was no sign that anything like this would happen. It took them years, years to finally find some help. During that time they went bankrupt, lost everything, but were able to find peace once medicine caught up. They are not alone.

The point is, it is easy to make a judgements when you're not wlaking in someone else's shoes. That's an old time saying. Old school thought.

So in the end they had a rough go of it and came out O.K. That's life.
 
Many reasons including but not limited to inefficient resource utilization, misaligned compensation/retention incentives, lack of focus, lack of a robust framework for assessing outcomes/intervening early when problems are emerging, etc. Factors beyond the schools also play a role e.g., today students spend fewer hours studying outside the classroom than they do in the classroom. In the past in the U.S. and in OECD countries where educational attainment is improving, students spend more time studying outside the classroom than in the classroom (sometimes by 2:1 or greater ratio).

You did not mention the poor curriculum, why?
 
So in the end they had a rough go of it and came out O.K. That's life.

Yeah, got lucky. And yes, it is life. No one said otherwise. But they ahd a TV, They had a phone. They had a computer. If we judged them by that alone, we'd have missed a lot.
 

Wow, a president's claim didn't come true. That's heavy ****. It mean, it never happens. Shocked I am, I tells ya.


However, if he had the ability to control it, he would have. Same as every other politician and president. All they really do is hope it will get better so they can take credit, and hope if it doesn't, they can blame the other party. If you don't know this, I might suggest it isn't your strength either.
 
No, because it is better for the whole. We all benefit from having people in town who own and are invest in the community. It's not a hard concept to grasp, so I'm not sure why you're going off so far afield.

It is not better for the whole. Mainstream economics proves this. If you limit trade you limit mutually beneficial actions. That is the plain and simple truth. We cannot produce as many things without trade. Plain and simple, common sense fact. You seem to be among the world view that economic pie never grows and merely gets distributed around. How has both Chinas and the US national income continued to rise despite trade between the two countries. I would say it is because trade is mutually beneficial, but what is your take?
 
Wow, a president's claim didn't come true. That's heavy ****. It mean, it never happens. Shocked I am, I tells ya.


However, if he had the ability to control it, he would have. Same as every other politician and president. All they really do is hope it will get better so they can take credit, and hope if it doesn't, they can blame the other party. If you don't know this, I might suggest it isn't your strength either.



Then perhaps instead of listening to a politicians oratory we should judge them by the quality of the character and their past experience, their accomplishments.

What do you think qualified Barrack Obama to be President?
 
It is not better for the whole. Mainstream economics proves this. If you limit trade you limit mutually beneficial actions. That is the plain and simple truth. We cannot produce as many things without trade. Plain and simple, common sense fact. You seem to be among the world view that economic pie never grows and merely gets distributed around. How has both Chinas and the US national income continued to rise despite trade between the two countries. I would say it is because trade is mutually beneficial, but what is your take?

No, that's not how I think at all. Mom and pop can trade with Chna just as well. We don't need large mega marts to trade. We don't have to have absentee owners, with only minimal paid employees to have a healthy economy. If fact, as I've said, it would be better for all if those who lived in the community profitted in the community. I'm not attacking trade in the way you seem to think.
 
No, that's not how I think at all. Mom and pop can trade with Chna just as well. We don't need large mega marts to trade. We don't have to have absentee owners, with only minimal paid employees to have a healthy economy. If fact, as I've said, it would be better for all if those who lived in the community profitted in the community. I'm not attacking trade in the way you seem to think.

So you are against large multinational companies? If so, then there are other economic reasons to support these, especially with trade. Lets start with the first point, these companies can build economies of scale. Large companies have the ability to reduce transaction costs causing the costs to make things, distribute things, etc to fall and making us again able to produce more things. Walmart has a clear advantage in the international markets than a mom and pop store, the reasons should be obvious. Not to mention, many things would fail to exist if things were only traded at the local level. Do you think every small town should have its own car maker, or x-ray maker? Does that sound efficient?
 
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