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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    as for political disfunctionality (at the pinnacle, even):

    may 25: President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com

    the world is still spinning

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    When the party politicians have wrecklessly spent the country into a...what...now 15.5 trillion dolar hole...maybe its time to consider an amendment that forces responsibility. They shouldnt HAVE to...but both parties have demonstrated why it is necessary. Someday you might have children. THEY might have jobs. THEIR children are going to have to pay for congresses stupidity. You explain to them why you just sat back and encouraged the same wreckless stupidity.
    A Balanced Budget Amendment won't work.

    For instance, what do you do if - due to an economic downturn, revenues aren't what they were projected for a given budget year? Who gets cut?

    What would Roosevelt have done during World War II if this were part of the Constitution?

    What are the penalties and against whom if the budget isn't balanced?

    If there is a surplus, where does it go?

    There are far too many questions to simply state in the Constitution that Congress must balance the budget each year and pretend that solves everything.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    A Balanced Budget Amendment won't work.

    For instance, what do you do if - due to an economic downturn, revenues aren't what they were projected for a given budget year? Who gets cut?

    What would Roosevelt have done during World War II if this were part of the Constitution?

    What are the penalties and against whom if the budget isn't balanced?

    If there is a surplus, where does it go?

    There are far too many questions to simply state in the Constitution that Congress must balance the budget each year and pretend that solves everything.
    Try reading the actual proposals.

    My biggest problem with it is the dependence on GDP. GDP is an estimate and can be easily manipulated.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    A Balanced Budget Amendment won't work.

    For instance, what do you do if - due to an economic downturn, revenues aren't what they were projected for a given budget year? Who gets cut?

    What would Roosevelt have done during World War II if this were part of the Constitution?

    What are the penalties and against whom if the budget isn't balanced?

    If there is a surplus, where does it go?

    There are far too many questions to simply state in the Constitution that Congress must balance the budget each year and pretend that solves everything.
    Do you realize that many states operate on a balanced budget and do just fine? There are built in provisions for emergency spending. The requirement is that they tax appropriately to cover said spending for example...when Bush took us to war, there should not have been added debt, they should have raised the tax requirments the following year to pay for the expenditures. Where budget surpluses occur, the states offer rebates or have voter referenedums on investing the surplus. It is absolutely doable. I am already at the grandparent stage. Quite frankly Im repulsed that my grandchildren and greathgrandchildren will be saddled with such an enormous debt because we were too irresponsible and weak to demand that we pay our way.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Ha,ha, is that the conservative spin?

    Then I guess we can consider the Stimulus a bipartisan vote, and the conservatives need to stop whining about it - they voted for it!
    8 repub senators voted for the stimulus bill
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    No. It does not strike me as odd at all. A respect for the rule of law does not imply that there should be no new laws. If it strikes you as odd then it is likely due to some faulty premise of yours.
    It strikes me odd that people want to change the law they claim to love and respect. We're not talking about respect for "the rule of law". We're talking about respect for the constution, which is about much more than the rule of law
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    8 repub senators voted for the stimulus bill
    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you realize that many states operate on a balanced budget and do just fine?
    Wouldn't it be nice if that were true! Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way. Take Texas for example. They have a balanced budget amendment and they were staring a $27 BILLION deficit in the face (how 'bout them fiscal conservatives!). Obviously they had to cut $27 billion in spending, right?

    Not so much. Sure, they cut a lot of spending, but they also borrowed from their own rainy day fund and forced local governments all over the state to do the same. In essence it was just an accounting trick to allow the state to get around the balanced budget requirement. It was still deficit spending. Many other states have done the same thing (see Minnesota, for example).

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you realize that many states operate on a balanced budget and do just fine? There are built in provisions for emergency spending. The requirement is that they tax appropriately to cover said spending for example...when Bush took us to war, there should not have been added debt, they should have raised the tax requirments the following year to pay for the expenditures. Where budget surpluses occur, the states offer rebates or have voter referenedums on investing the surplus. It is absolutely doable. I am already at the grandparent stage. Quite frankly Im repulsed that my grandchildren and greathgrandchildren will be saddled with such an enormous debt because we were too irresponsible and weak to demand that we pay our way.
    I am bothered a great deal by the debt as well, but an amendment to the Constitution that says "you must balance the budget" isn't going to do much unless it is clearly drawn out - basically like a law would be.

    Here's how well Texas's balanced budget amendment did for them:

    3rd worst deficit in the country by budget.

    State Budget Gaps: How Does Your State Rank?

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Per the definition of the word "bipartisan" his statement was accurate. You have to change the definition of the word to make his statement a lie.
    ridiculous...what is the definition of bipartisan SUPPORT? he lied, you know it, and so does everyone else. he purposely used those words to indicate that there was dem support for the bill.....when there was not. 5 votes of 190 or whatever it is is NOT dem support.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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