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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Saves more money than the Republican proposal. No wonder the Tea Party is pissed at the GOP.
    Once again, his plan takes credit for ending things that are already scheduled to end. ie: Iraq war. Those are going to go away even without his plan.

    But indeed, that in a nut shell is why the Tea Party dismissed Boehner. His plan simply didn't so enough.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    His plan also pretended that the Clinton era taxes had resumed whereas Obama caved in and extended the Bush era tax cuts. But yes, that is why the idiots-oops, I mean the Tea Party - are blacklisting him and his plan. The only question is whether the Reid plan can pass. If it can, I support that, but if it can't, then Boehner had better start getting support together or the US is going to be collectively gang-banged by the people who hold all our debt (basically China).

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Once again, the irony is breathtaking to behold. The Tea Party, to the extent that they had a platform at all, stressed that they were frustrated with Washington for straying from the Constitution. The inviolable and holy Constitution. But what is the recurring theme among Tea Pary politicians? They want to REWRITE the Constitution! And they are apparently prepared to burn the country down if they don't get their way.
    You know that amending the constitution is allowed. It is not rewriting to add something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    You know that amending the constitution is allowed. It is not rewriting to add something.
    Certainly. But doesn't it strike you as odd that this group has been preaching the sanctity of the Constitution, when at every turn their answer seems to be to amend the Constitution?

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Certainly. But doesn't it strike you as odd that this group has been preaching the sanctity of the Constitution, when at every turn their answer seems to be to amend the Constitution?
    No, it doesn't. I think that they believe in the power of the constitution so much, that adding an amendment is the proper way to go about what they are trying to do.(Balance the budget) as you can see, congress cannot control its self on the spending, they must be forced into it.

    The constitution is the only thing in this county that has a greater power than the congress, so that is the vehichle they must use.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    No, it doesn't. I think that they believe in the power of the constitution so much, that adding an amendment is the proper way to go about what they are trying to do.(Balance the budget) as you can see, congress cannot control its self on the spending, they must be forced into it.

    The constitution is the only thing in this county that has a greater power than the congress, so that is the vehichle they must use.
    The problem is that that strategy, while possible functional, will never actually work. You'll never get the support necessary to get the Amendment. What we need is for the politicians at Capitol Hill to stop bowing to peer pressure from their party or peers, and start actually creating a debt ceiling plan that has a chance of working. Someone needs to start a fad- Actually working to get a living, instead of filibustering and throwing insults at each other across the room :O

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    No, it doesn't. I think that they believe in the power of the constitution so much, that adding an amendment is the proper way to go about what they are trying to do.(Balance the budget) as you can see, congress cannot control its self on the spending, they must be forced into it.

    The constitution is the only thing in this county that has a greater power than the congress, so that is the vehichle they must use.
    In other words, it's an abdication of responsibility.

    But again, the main objection to it is simply that it's a really bad idea. What do you think would have happened during WWII, for example, if the government wasn't able to borrow because it had tied its own hands with a constitutional balanced budget amendment? One of two things would have happened: a) Congress would have found a way around the constitutional limitation, thus making it a limitation in name only, or b) the limitation would have been effective and there's a good chance Hitler would have prevailed.

    Neither option is particularly appealing.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Certainly. But doesn't it strike you as odd that this group has been preaching the sanctity of the Constitution, when at every turn their answer seems to be to amend the Constitution?
    No. It does not strike me as odd at all. A respect for the rule of law does not imply that there should be no new laws. If it strikes you as odd then it is likely due to some faulty premise of yours.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What do you think would have happened during WWII, for example, if the government wasn't able to borrow because it had tied its own hands with a constitutional balanced budget amendment?
    Section 6. The Congress may waive the provisions of this article for any fiscal year in which a declaration of war is in effect. The provisions of this article may be waived for any fiscal year in which the United States is engaged in military conflict which causes an imminent and serious military threat to national security and is so declared by a joint resolution, adopted by a majority of the whole number of each House, which becomes law.
    House and Senate Balanced Budget Amendments | The Heritage Foundation

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    OMG, VanceMack!

    That's exactly what the President's initially debt limit proposal would have done! $4 TRILLION in spending cuts, $1 TRILLION in revenue not by taxing anyone individually, but by closing tax loopholes. Now, I understand the uncertainty of most convervatives that any new revenues wouldn't go towards paying down the debt and, thus, reducing the deficit, but part of being good fiscal stewards is not spending more than you take it. However, that alone won't cut into the deficit. In order to have real deficit reduction, you have to pay down on your debts. But as has already been stated over and over and over again, the country is broke (for all practical purposes). Thus, the question I've asked folks over and over again has been how do you pay down your debt in a meaningful way if you don't have any additional revenue coming in?

    You can cut billions from the budget each year, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions this country owes. The only way to significantly pay down the debt and reduct the deficit over time is to cut spending AND generate revenue. Otherwise, using spending cuts alone we'll never get to any level of fiscal sanity for decades! In other words, we won't be looking at just a lost decade, i.e., Japan. We'll be looking at DECADES at the rate the Tea Party and some Republicans are going in their stubborness and unwillingness to see reason.
    Unless Im mistaken, the president proposed ideas without an actual proposal. There are now two proposals on the deck. Both sides are going to have to eat it and do what is right for the country and neither side is willing to do it because all they REALLY care about is reelection. Republicans cant bear to go back to their constituents and say...yep...we raised taxes. Democrats cant bear to go to theirs and say yep, we massively cut entitlement programs. We have a 2 foot gaping hole in the bottom of our boat, and both sides are arguing about which is the best 2 inch cork to plug the leak.

    I dont WANT the GOP to agree to tax increases...not without MANDATED and set in stone legislation that enforces real cuts and directs the paying down of the debt. This fear of passage of a balanced budget amendment is reprehensible. Close every loophole...Im fine with that. Raise taxes on the wealthy...again...good to go. But before you do, do a top down review and gut federal spending. None of this "we managed to find a bi partisan way to cut part of the deficit spending" bull****.

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