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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From the WashingtonTimes.com:

    Seems the failed leadership is on Speaker Boehner.
    This intraparty issue is probably the key factor that has tied Speaker Boehner's hands. The failure of Republicans to agree on a common goal has weakened Speaker Boehner's position. It is a problem that has festered for some time, in part, because Speaker Boehner is not sufficiently strong to bring the more uncompromising elements into reasonable compliance over a common goal. It is also a consequence of the intraparty rivalry between Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Cantor.

    That Cantor strongly backed the Speaker today doesn't mean that the corrosive dynamic can immediately be overcome. The reality is that a significant share of Republicans is probably not going to support a debt limit increase under virtually any circumstances. If, in the end, their instransigence is not met by some internal punishment e.g., concerning Committee assignments, the incentives for such intransigence could remain strong. Then, it is entirely plausible, that those holding the most extreme positions could exercise a sort of veto over Republican policy making. Such a situation would undermine Speaker Boehner's negotiating credibility and make it more difficult for the full House to forge bipartisan consensus. In turn, the absence of such consensus would promote further gridlock, leading to greater distrust among the two parties and growing frustration within each party.

    IMO, it is imperative that the House Leadership make abundantly clear that Republicans must support the debt ceiling package on Wednesday and then any package that is reconciled with the Senate (the Senate version will differ) given the enormous stakes involved. Such a strong stand might be anti-democratic, but the consequences of a failure to raise the debt ceiling are sufficiently grave that Congressional leaders need to be willing to impose agreement, if necessary, to avert such an outcome. Occasionally, leaders need to take large risks and expend substantial political capital. This is one situation where such risktaking and expenditure of political capital is necessary.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    well, then i guess every vote is bipartisan.
    Usually, yes. Doesn't mean the BILL is bipartisan, but if two parties VOTE for it the passage is certainly bipartisan.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not so effective spin.
    I'm not spinning anything. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to call Boehner a liar over using the term "bipartisan" when, per the very definition of the word, the vote was most certainly bipartisan.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm not spinning anything. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to call Boehner a liar over using the term "bipartisan" when, per the very definition of the word, the vote was most certainly bipartisan.
    of course it was NOT. here is what he said: "The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. ". PATENTLY UNTRUE, when only 5 of the up votes were by dems. partisan by any stretch of the imagination, and you are off base calling it anything but partisan.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the lie that they passed a BIPARTISAN bill in the house. that one.
    It's a meaningless term that both parties have been using for years. It's no coincidence that politicians use the term often in those instances where the number of votes they had from the other party can be counted on one hand. Obama did the same thing when the healthcare bill was first being proposed.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course it was NOT. here is what he said: "The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. ". PATENTLY UNTRUE, when only 5 of the up votes were by dems. partisan by any stretch of the imagination, and you are off base calling it anything but partisan.
    Per the definition of the word "bipartisan" his statement was accurate. You have to change the definition of the word to make his statement a lie.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Per the definition of the word "bipartisan" his statement was accurate. You have to change the definition of the word to make his statement a lie.
    You're just playing at semantics. Everyone knows that it was a party-line vote and Boehner was clearly being disingenous: pretending it was something that it was not.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    I think pretty much the White House and everyone in Congress is in fail mode. What are the Democrats in Congress doing besides sitting back and sniping at the Republicans and Obama?

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're just playing at semantics. Everyone knows that it was a party-line vote and Boehner was clearly being disingenous: pretending it was something that it was not.
    No, he's being factual based on the definition of the word. You're the one playing the word game here, not me.
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    The House passed a bill, the Senate has refused to take it up. Obama has just again today, vowed to veto it should it come to his desk. No one else has a written plan (other than previous committee's like Bowels Simpson who's suggestions were ignored by this Administration), and I have to say, the freshman Republicans in the house are holding firm and not giving into the typical Washington BS. They've got some spine and I like that. Finally. Both sides aren't rolling over and compromising (compromise in this case means screw over the American people with a bad deal).
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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