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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Yes, clearly it is all about quantity.

    Obama should immediately put out 20 plans that have no chance of passing both houses to demonstrate his superiority.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Yep, they've done their job alright, sock it to the American people, the elderly and those on Social Security, all the time protecting the tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. That's their job alright, but I wonder why so many conservatives support it, unless they are "wealthy"?

    It's like chickens rooting for Colonel Sanders!


    The whole country (as well as the Democrats in Congress) know what it is in the bill, and we don't like it - Boehner and the whole lot of GOP Congressmen are ignorant to waste their time on a worthless piece of crap knowing that it is going nowhere - (except in the minds of some ignorant Republicans who think it is all that).


    Like I said, everyone knows what it is in the bill - maybe you should make yourself familiar with it - you'll only like it if you are rich or own a corporation, or if you are a good sheeple.
    okay ... so I guess we go with the senate plan ......... oppps sorry they don't have one ..

    Time to go with the Preisdent's plan .... oppps sorry he doesn't have one either ....

    So lets see ... what is it we are suppose to go with ?? Times getting kinda short ... and not one single Democratic plan .... laughs .... but of course ... it's the Republican's fault ... But that is the way of the liberal ... no plan of their own .... just tell the American people how bad the other sides plan is .. .

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    okay ... so I guess we go with the senate plan ......... oppps sorry they don't have one ..

    Time to go with the Preisdent's plan .... oppps sorry he doesn't have one either ....

    So lets see ... what is it we are suppose to go with ?? Times getting kinda short ... and not one single Democratic plan .... laughs .... but of course ... it's the Republican's fault ... But that is the way of the liberal ... no plan of their own .... just tell the American people how bad the other sides plan is .. .
    Because when the country defaults and the economy crashes, whoever had the most plans wins!!
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    okay ... so I guess we go with the senate plan ......... oppps sorry they don't have one ..

    Time to go with the Preisdent's plan .... oppps sorry he doesn't have one either ....

    So lets see ... what is it we are suppose to go with ?? Times getting kinda short ... and not one single Democratic plan .... laughs .... but of course ... it's the Republican's fault ... But that is the way of the liberal ... no plan of their own .... just tell the American people how bad the other sides plan is .. .
    I guess in your opinion a bad dream is still better that no plan? Wasn't it the same way with health care? The Rightos agreed that it needed to be reformed, but they had no viable plan to demonstrate that the demo plan was worst than theirs? Didn't they blame the high raising health costs on incompetent doctors being sued for malpratice? Sorry, cold sweats, and I was regressing.

    Was Boehner's plan a plan or a dream? Or, did it continue to rubber stamp half the problem? Not making everyone pay their share, no revenue coming in from those that benefit the most from this country, the super corporations and oil.

    I didn't read this fantsy literature, but was it squacking about passing a balanced budget admendment?
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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, clearly it is all about quantity.

    Obama should immediately put out 20 plans that have no chance of passing both houses to demonstrate his superiority.
    ANY plan. ANY plan that indicates what hard choices he is willing to make. ANYTHING that would at least let us know where the man STANDS and serve as an unmovable starting point for negotiation.

    It's not about high quantity. But it is at least about showing up. So Far Republicans sent up one bill, it died in the Senate, and so they have sent another, which has died in the Senate. The Republican Leader in the House and Democrat Leader in the Senate went to the White House with a bipartisan deal they'd hammered out between them, and the White House killed it.

    So, thus far, Republicans have given us two plans, and Democrats have killed both of them while producing nothing. that's not Governing. That's footstamping and holding ones' breath until you get your way.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I guess in your opinion a bad dream is still better that no plan?
    neither of the plans that have passed are bad plans - though CC&B was better.

    Wasn't it the same way with health care? The Rightos agreed that it needed to be reformed, but they had no viable plan to demonstrate that the demo plan was worst than theirs?
    on the contrary, the Right is awash in plans for healthcare reform. and, where we have been in government (for example, in Indiana), we have been demonstrating their superiority.

    Didn't they blame the high raising health costs on incompetent doctors being sued for malpratice?
    that is part of it, but the main killer is our idiotic third-party-payment system

    Was Boehner's plan a plan or a dream? Or, did it continue to rubber stamp half the problem? Not making everyone pay their share,
    as far as I am aware, the Boehner Plan does not raise taxes on the middle class, who are currently not paying their fair share, no.

    I didn't read this fantsy literature, but was it squacking about passing a balanced budget admendment?
    which is an excellent addition and badly needed.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ANY plan. ANY plan that indicates what hard choices he is willing to make. ANYTHING that would at least let us know where the man STANDS and serve as an unmovable starting point for negotiation.

    It's not about high quantity. But it is at least about showing up. So Far Republicans sent up one bill, it died in the Senate, and so they have sent another, which has died in the Senate. The Republican Leader in the House and Democrat Leader in the Senate went to the White House with a bipartisan deal they'd hammered out between them, and the White House killed it.

    So, thus far, Republicans have given us two plans, and Democrats have killed both of them while producing nothing. that's not Governing. That's footstamping and holding ones' breath until you get your way.
    The Dems have proposed several plans, including one that just raises the debt ceiling. The repubs rejected every single one of them.

    You're ignoring plans from the Dems just to have a point to make.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    on the contrary, the Right is awash in plans for healthcare reform. and, where we have been in government (for example, in Indiana), we have been demonstrating their superiority.
    Yes, I remember all the health care bills the repubs passed when they controlled the house, the senate, and the white house



    that is part of it, but the main killer is our idiotic third-party-payment system
    Now the right doesn't like the free market or capitalism
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    A piece of crap if you ask me. Who in their right mind would want to go through this crap again in 6 months? The proposal the GOP has produced is nothing but a piece of crap and I'm glad the Democrats in the Senate are going to treat it as such.
    ah. so you prefer the sureity of going past the deadline now as opposed to any potential risk of going past it in the future.

    Be reasonable, do you think the moron Tea Party Congressmen are going to agree to anything the Democrats put forth?
    sure. they could have increased revenue, as Boehner tried to offer, but if they'd put a BBA on it, it would have passed the TP Republicans. However that is neither here nor there. Whether or not they think others will vote for their bills without amending them does not excuse the Senate or the White House from their responsibility to govern.

    Obama tried to negotiate a plan that would go beyond 2012
    no he didn't - he killed that plan by changing his mind and trying to insist at the last minute on an extra $400 Bn in taxes. Because he wants to go past Aug 2.

    - the GOP is deceitfully trying to squeeze by on a mere figure that will need to be upped again in 6 months.
    Only morons would want to go through what the country is going through again in 6 months, but I guess if that is the only way you can posture politically, then that is what you go for - and at the same time, let's not expect the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes - that might just incite them into voting Democrat!
    we would have to lower the top tax rates significantly for them to pay their 'fair share' - currently 6 out of 10 households receive more in government services than they pay in taxes. The wealthy are paying their share, our share, and then giving us a little extra cut off the top. The US Currently has the Most Progressive Tax Structure in the Industrialized World.

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    Re: House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I remember all the health care bills the repubs passed when they controlled the house, the senate, and the white house
    that would be Medicare Part D, the only government program of such size to come in at 41% under projected costs, and the only portion of Medicare so structured that it has held down cost inflation in the portion of healthcare that it effects to 1.2%.

    Now the right doesn't like the free market or capitalism
    our current system is not the result of a free market - it is the result of meddling in the market under the FDR administration, which was then expanded under LBJ.

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