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Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

U.S. Socialist. said:
Here's one example of a group with potential to become very dangerous: 'Arming' for Armageddon | Southern Poverty Law Center
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Yup, a bunch of religious teenagers not old enough to legally own weapons, who have given no evidence whatsoever of committing any acts of violence, or even been seen conducting any sort of paramilitary training. Terrifying. Personally, I find the Southern Poverty Law Center to be far more dangerous to the American people than tattooed televangelists.
 
I agree with theangryamerican from The Wild West.
 
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Not all militias are created equal. Just because you call yourself a militia doesn't mean you're what the founding fathers were referring to in terms of safeguarding the country against tyranny.

Yes, some militia groups are really just well-armed KKK offshoots who call themselves patriots.

Nobody has suggested that all of them are a threat, nor has anyone suggested that merely "disagreeing with the government" gives you the terrorist label.

But when you call the president a usurper and profess a desire to overthrow a democratically elected government, you're going to get looked at more closely.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Here's one example of a group with potential to become very dangerous: 'Arming' for Armageddon | Southern Poverty Law Center
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when it comes to sensationalist pandering about Militias Morris Dees has no peer. That scum bag has used fear of "racist militias" to rake in donations to his left wing socialist outfit for years. There are racist and nihilistic militias. There are also people who saw what happened in the LA street riots where law and order evaporated as political correctness and mass rioting caused massive mayhem. That some people train to handle such "wildings" hardly makes them racist and more than a few farm communities have volunteer groups created for mutual defense in the case of an earthquake, or other disaster that could lead to lootings
 
theangryamerican said:
Yup, a bunch of religious teenagers not old enough to legally own weapons, who have given no evidence whatsoever of committing any acts of violence, or even been seen conducting any sort of paramilitary training. Terrifying. Personally, I find the Southern Poverty Law Center to be far more dangerous to the American people than tattooed televangelists.
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there are fewer pimps bigger than the SPLC

they are like the brady bunch-they need to keep people in fear of something-racism, etc in order to keep the money rolling in
 
theangryamerican said:
I see nothing in there to refute my premise. So...are citizen militias terrorist organizations or not? ;)
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Just the ones that the Libbos disagree with ideologically. The Panthers and The Weather Underground are acceptable.
 
Deuce said:
Not all militias are created equal. Just because you call yourself a militia doesn't mean you're what the founding fathers were referring to in terms of safeguarding the country against tyranny.

Yes, some militia groups are really just well-armed KKK offshoots who call themselves patriots.

Nobody has suggested that all of them are a threat, nor has anyone suggested that merely "disagreeing with the government" gives you the terrorist label.

But when you call the president a usurper and profess a desire to overthrow a democratically elected government, you're going to get looked at more closely.
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I'm actually very much in agreement with you. That was my problem with the article in the OP. The term "militia" was used as a broad brush to paint any group under that term as extremists posing a tangible threat to the citizens of this country. There are absolutely wack jobs out there, as evidenced by groups like the Hutaree, but there are also those who are there handing out care packages when disasters strike their communities, volunteering with charities and community service organizations and the like and just generally being good citizens.
 
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apdst said:
Just the ones that the Libbos disagree with ideologically. The Panthers and The Weather Underground are acceptable.
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Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basically black supremacists. The older one was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights. The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
 
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U.S. Socialist. said:
Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basally black supremacists. The older one was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights. The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
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Thank you for the blatant attempt at partisan hypocrisy. The Panthers, since their conception, have always been violently militant towards police and any other authority they don't agree with. The Weather Underground was created with the goal of creating a clandestine organization for the violent overthrow of the US government, but hey, at least they're not right-wing extremists, right? How exactly are those organizations different from the Hutaree, who planned the overthrow of government by assassinating police officers? (By the way, I'm not sure how they thought that would work, even in theory.) All three groups ended up with members in jail.
 
Forming and/or joining a legal, 'above-ground' militia (i.e., a 'rifle-club', out in the country) is one thing. Deducing that such an organizatoin has the capacity to either overthrow the nation's government, or incite a popular uprising that would do the same, is another. The latter is pure fantasy, and a segeway to insane terrorism.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basally black supremacists. [/b]The older one[/b] was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights.
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Six of one--a half dozen of the other. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.


The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
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Oh really? All the people that the Weathermen killed weren't innocent? They deserved to die? What about the Brinks gaurd that was killed during the 1981 Brinks armored car heist? He deserved to die? For what?

What about the cops that were killed in the police station bombings?

It's a goddamned shame that Bill Ayers isn't a rotting corpse, six-feet-under, or waiting to die a slow miserable death in a prison cell.
 
ElCid said:
Forming and/or joining a legal, 'above-ground' militia (i.e., a 'rifle-club', out in the country) is one thing. Deducing that such an organizatoin has the capacity to either overthrow the nation's government, or incite a popular uprising that would do the same, is another. The latter is pure fantasy, and a segeway to insane terrorism.
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That's a bit of a moot point. If this country's government reaches the point that it actually needs overthrowing, it won't be just a few dozen men playing soldier in camo pants that they'll have to contend with. There are over 200 million citizen owned guns in the US and the government has little to no idea where they are. Just sayin'
 
theangryamerican said:
Thank you for the blatant attempt at partisan hypocrisy. The Panthers, since their conception, have always been violently militant towards police and any other authority they don't agree with. The Weather Underground was created with the goal of creating a clandestine organization for the violent overthrow of the US government, but hey, at least they're not right-wing extremists, right? How exactly are those organizations different from the Hutaree, who planned the overthrow of government by assassinating police officers? (By the way, I'm not sure how they thought that would work, even in theory.) All three groups ended up with members in jail.
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The Black Panthers(the original party) was formed to help fight for black civil rights and protect them from police brutality that was very common at the time, but I know you don't care about that.
 
apdst said:
Six of one--a half dozen of the other. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.




Oh really? All the people that the Weathermen killed weren't innocent? They deserved to die? What about the Brinks gaurd that was killed during the 1981 Brinks armored car heist? He deserved to die? For what?

What about the cops that were killed in the police station bombings?

It's a goddamned shame that Bill Ayers isn't a rotting corpse, six-feet-under, or waiting to die a slow miserable death in a prison cell.
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Have any proof of your claim about the original Black Panthers? As for Ayers well the same could be said about many far-right reactionary leaders.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
The Black Panthers(the original party) was formed to help fight for black civil rights and protect them from police brutality that was very common at the time, but I know you don't care about that.
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Do you deny that they incited violent confrontations with police officers?

It's not about motives, it's about actions, but I know you don't care about that.
 
liblady said:
can you cite anything that tells us the majority of militias have no desire to incite revolution? that they believe in the rule of law? the media goes with what they know......and anythime militias are in the news, it's usually bad news.
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Well if you read the Guardian its certainly bad news because they'll call it "right wing". But if you think of them as a more enthusiastic version of a Neighborhood Watch program it might not seem so bad.
 
apdst said:
Just the ones that the Libbos disagree with ideologically. The Panthers and The Weather Underground are acceptable.
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Acceptable?

They've become mainstream in this current administration.
 
Grant said:
Acceptable?

They've become mainstream in this current administration.
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Obama's even friends with one the Weather Underground honchos.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basically black supremacists. The older one was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights.
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Actually, that's not true at all

The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
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That's not true either.

Have no kind words for any terrorist organization, otherwise the Stockholm Syndrome takes effect.
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U.S. Socialist. said:
Have any proof of your claim about the original Black Panthers? As for Ayers well the same could be said about many far-right reactionary leaders.
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The proof of the Black Panthers is their well documented history.

Your defense of Bill Ayers is that others commit terrorist acts too??

Good one!
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Have any proof of your claim about the original Black Panthers?
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The original Black Liberation Army--mostly former Black Panthers--were the cats that did the 1981 Brinks job! :rofl

Here, read up on the panthers.

Black Panther Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



As for Ayers well the same could be said about many far-right reactionary leaders.
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I see, it's ok that Ayers is a murdering piece-a-****, because there are rightists who are equally murdering pieces-a-****?

is that really going to be your retort?
 
apdst said:
Obama's even friends with one the Weather Underground honchos.
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They planned their political futures together and have been successful beyond their wildest dreams.

Riches, fame, international awards and endorsements, books, speaking engagements. and so on. They are set for life.

They probably have a few laughs together over a bottle of Pouilly Fuissé, looking back on those old days when their revolutionary dreams seemed impossible, at least in their lifetimes, particularly after the collapse of Communism and Leftism was exposed for the terrible lie it was.

But they stayed with the dream, the gullible followed (as they must have sensed they would) and now they're in the process of creating a new America. It was quite a feat.
 
apdst said:
Obama's even friends with one the Weather Underground honchos.
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In my view, Obama remains America's greatest threat, bar none.
 
ElCid said:
In my view, Obama remains America's greatest threat, bar none.
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Nah. Every now and then people have to be taught an electoral lesson. BHO will be a one termer and the people, for this generation at least, will be a lot wiser from this experience.
 
Deuce said:
Not all militias are created equal. Just because you call yourself a militia doesn't mean you're what the founding fathers were referring to in terms of safeguarding the country against tyranny.

Yes, some militia groups are really just well-armed KKK offshoots who call themselves patriots.
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I agree with you up to here...

Nobody has suggested that all of them are a threat, nor has anyone suggested that merely "disagreeing with the government" gives you the terrorist label.
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FALSE.

1 - The Modern Militia Movement-Missouri MIAC Strategic Report 20Feb09
2 - http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Back.jpg

There are other reports as well, that get into the minutiae of what amounts to, effectively, if you possess any capacity at developing a political thought, then YOU are likely a terrorist extremist cop killer.

We're talking left wing, we're talking right wing, we're talking pro or anti-abortion, pro or anti religious groups, and if that isn't broad enough you might even be a "lone wolf" extremist.

But when you call the president a usurper and profess a desire to overthrow a democratically elected government, you're going to get looked at more closely.
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Naturally, but when you really understand the scope of what will be considered "usurpation" if these "reports" become somehow enacted (hypothetically of course, though there are clear agenda's seeking to push this view)

theangryamerican said:
That's a bit of a moot point. If this country's government reaches the point that it actually needs overthrowing, it won't be just a few dozen men playing soldier in camo pants that they'll have to contend with. There are over 200 million citizen owned guns in the US and the government has little to no idea where they are. Just sayin'
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Ya, and the best way to expose a tyrant is to get them to act like one. Who'd have EVER thought that watching children being fondled in the name of "security" would not have created this type of hysteria is beyond me... maybe the american people have really been broken down to the point where there are no abuses that they won't put up with, I don't know.

But I do agree with the sentiment, and remember, it was only 5% of the people that won the american revolution, the rest just stayed at home and carried on with their lives.
 
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