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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I see nothing in there to refute my premise. So...are citizen militias terrorist organizations or not?
    Just the ones that the Libbos disagree with ideologically. The Panthers and The Weather Underground are acceptable.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not all militias are created equal. Just because you call yourself a militia doesn't mean you're what the founding fathers were referring to in terms of safeguarding the country against tyranny.

    Yes, some militia groups are really just well-armed KKK offshoots who call themselves patriots.

    Nobody has suggested that all of them are a threat, nor has anyone suggested that merely "disagreeing with the government" gives you the terrorist label.

    But when you call the president a usurper and profess a desire to overthrow a democratically elected government, you're going to get looked at more closely.
    I'm actually very much in agreement with you. That was my problem with the article in the OP. The term "militia" was used as a broad brush to paint any group under that term as extremists posing a tangible threat to the citizens of this country. There are absolutely wack jobs out there, as evidenced by groups like the Hutaree, but there are also those who are there handing out care packages when disasters strike their communities, volunteering with charities and community service organizations and the like and just generally being good citizens.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just the ones that the Libbos disagree with ideologically. The Panthers and The Weather Underground are acceptable.
    Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basically black supremacists. The older one was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights. The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basally black supremacists. The older one was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights. The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
    Thank you for the blatant attempt at partisan hypocrisy. The Panthers, since their conception, have always been violently militant towards police and any other authority they don't agree with. The Weather Underground was created with the goal of creating a clandestine organization for the violent overthrow of the US government, but hey, at least they're not right-wing extremists, right? How exactly are those organizations different from the Hutaree, who planned the overthrow of government by assassinating police officers? (By the way, I'm not sure how they thought that would work, even in theory.) All three groups ended up with members in jail.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Forming and/or joining a legal, 'above-ground' militia (i.e., a 'rifle-club', out in the country) is one thing. Deducing that such an organizatoin has the capacity to either overthrow the nation's government, or incite a popular uprising that would do the same, is another. The latter is pure fantasy, and a segeway to insane terrorism.
    NOTICE: I am not a troll, because what I write I believe, and I have no intention of derailing threads or manipulating human nature. I am not a terrorist, because I do not endorse the killing of innocent people, and I am not here to promote violence. I AM HERE ONLY TO EXPRESS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND ENJOY LIVELY DISCUSSION.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    Which group of panthers? The modern group is horrible and basally black supremacists. [/b]The older one[/b] was more about helping black people and fighting for their rights.
    Six of one--a half dozen of the other. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.


    The Weather Underground? I don't condone violence such as they used, but at least they went out of their way to make sure no innocents were harmed.
    Oh really? All the people that the Weathermen killed weren't innocent? They deserved to die? What about the Brinks gaurd that was killed during the 1981 Brinks armored car heist? He deserved to die? For what?

    What about the cops that were killed in the police station bombings?

    It's a goddamned shame that Bill Ayers isn't a rotting corpse, six-feet-under, or waiting to die a slow miserable death in a prison cell.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Forming and/or joining a legal, 'above-ground' militia (i.e., a 'rifle-club', out in the country) is one thing. Deducing that such an organizatoin has the capacity to either overthrow the nation's government, or incite a popular uprising that would do the same, is another. The latter is pure fantasy, and a segeway to insane terrorism.
    That's a bit of a moot point. If this country's government reaches the point that it actually needs overthrowing, it won't be just a few dozen men playing soldier in camo pants that they'll have to contend with. There are over 200 million citizen owned guns in the US and the government has little to no idea where they are. Just sayin'
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Thank you for the blatant attempt at partisan hypocrisy. The Panthers, since their conception, have always been violently militant towards police and any other authority they don't agree with. The Weather Underground was created with the goal of creating a clandestine organization for the violent overthrow of the US government, but hey, at least they're not right-wing extremists, right? How exactly are those organizations different from the Hutaree, who planned the overthrow of government by assassinating police officers? (By the way, I'm not sure how they thought that would work, even in theory.) All three groups ended up with members in jail.
    The Black Panthers(the original party) was formed to help fight for black civil rights and protect them from police brutality that was very common at the time, but I know you don't care about that.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Six of one--a half dozen of the other. There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two.




    Oh really? All the people that the Weathermen killed weren't innocent? They deserved to die? What about the Brinks gaurd that was killed during the 1981 Brinks armored car heist? He deserved to die? For what?

    What about the cops that were killed in the police station bombings?

    It's a goddamned shame that Bill Ayers isn't a rotting corpse, six-feet-under, or waiting to die a slow miserable death in a prison cell.
    Have any proof of your claim about the original Black Panthers? As for Ayers well the same could be said about many far-right reactionary leaders.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    The Black Panthers(the original party) was formed to help fight for black civil rights and protect them from police brutality that was very common at the time, but I know you don't care about that.
    Do you deny that they incited violent confrontations with police officers?

    It's not about motives, it's about actions, but I know you don't care about that.
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