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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i really don't know where anyone has claimed that not agreeing with the government makes one as dangerous as a radical jihadist. and yes, militias can be lumped in with neo-fascists. The Militia Movement -- Extremism in America
    That's BS. Militias always have been a fundamental building block in this country and our service to them nothing more than duty to the Republic. Militias can be limped in with neo-fascists if you are completely generalizing the entire group and trying to paint them all as the extremists you sometimes see.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Not really. How about some actual links to statistics instead of reposting the same ADL page? That lists perhaps a few dozen arrests since 1993 from the thousands of people who may claim to indentify themselves as citizen militia members. Frankly, there are more police officers brought up on charges each year than the militia members you provided there.

    Like I said, I expect more than hyperbole from you.
    james, it's not hyperbole. militias rightly have a bad reputation in our country. statistics don't matter in this instance, because ANY militia groups intending to foment hate and spur anti government uprisings are dangerous. what is their purpose, really? what good do they do for ordinary citizens?

    Christian militia members held for plot to kill policeman and bomb funeral | World news | The Guardian

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    james, it's not hyperbole. militias rightly have a bad reputation in our country. statistics don't matter in this instance, because ANY militia groups intending to foment hate and spur anti government uprisings are dangerous. what is their purpose, really? what good do they do for ordinary citizens?

    Christian militia members held for plot to kill policeman and bomb funeral | World news | The Guardian
    Contrary to what the ADL article said, militias are not a new phenomenom. They go back as far as the founding of this country and have always been present throughout this country's history. They have always indentified themselves as protectors of their neighbors and fellow citizens and deterrents to (to borrow a phrase from Alexis de Tocqueville, a 19th century French observer) "tyranny of the majority."

    Yes, there are fringe groups who sit around and discuss conspiracy theories and armed revolution, but I think you'd be surprised to find that the vast number of militia members see themselves as protectors of the people, in a defensive role, rather than the inciters of violence the media would portray them to be. One of the more recent examples I can think of involved a militia in Michigan who stood between police and a property owner in their community who was being treated unjustly. No verbal threats were exchanged. No shots were fired. The police backed down and everyone went home safe. Incidentally, in the incident that your link referenced there was one of the Hutaree extremists who intitially evaded arrest and went to the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia (the same militia involved in the peaceful police stand off I talked about above) for help. They encouraged the criminal to turn himself in and when he did not, they reported him to the police themselves.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Who are these people who put themselves above the law? It is not for them to decide who needs arresting and who does not.
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    our "militia" is our armed services.
    Actually, it's not, but don't let the facts confuse the debate.

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    james, it's not hyperbole. militias rightly have a bad reputation in our country. statistics don't matter in this instance, because ANY militia groups intending to foment hate and spur anti government uprisings are dangerous. what is their purpose, really? what good do they do for ordinary citizens?

    Christian militia members held for plot to kill policeman and bomb funeral | World news | The Guardian
    Like the Black Panthers, right?

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Who are these people who put themselves above the law? It is not for them to decide who needs arresting and who does not.
    How about this citizen? Did he need arresting too? Did you know that citizens have the power to arrest people? Did you also know that a uniformed law enforcement officer can be legally resisted with appropriate force up to the point of lethal force if they are acting against a citizen in an unlawful manner? People seem to forget that our government is derived from the consent of the people and that's the beauty of it; We don't have to bow our heads. We are free to stand up for the rights that we have.

    I don't for a second believe that you are truly naive enough to believe that government can do no wrong...
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Contrary to what the ADL article said, militias are not a new phenomenom. They go back as far as the founding of this country and have always been present throughout this country's history. They have always indentified themselves as protectors of their neighbors and fellow citizens and deterrents to (to borrow a phrase from Alexis de Tocqueville, a 19th century French observer) "tyranny of the majority."
    At the founding of the United States militias were mandated by colonial legislatures with short terms of service, less than a year. The colonial militias were more like our current National Guard - though this is a poor comparison as we don't actually have anything similar to a colonial militia today - and not at all like what we think of as militias today. It is interesting to note that militia service was mandatory and that militia members were required to provide their own guns, equipment, and provisions.

    Look into the Whiskey Rebellion to see how they were used to handle the minority

    Militia (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In 1794, a militia numbering approximately 13,000 was raised and personally led by President George Washington to quell the Whiskey Rebellion in Pennsylvania.
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    ARM - American Reformation Movement: Brief History of the United States Citizen Militia
    The Minutemen were formed after the crisis that occurred in Boston in 1774. They were initially a reorganized militia that once fought for the British military and its government, as previously mentioned, but instead organized to fight against the tyranny of British rule. The name of the organized militia came from the fact of being on call in an instant (minute). The Minutemen organization was not formed by common law but by statutory law.
    http://www.constitution.org/jw/acm_1-m.htm
    Three separate, and often mutually distrustful, authorities vied for control of the New England militias. First, each colony had its own militia organization which was identical with, or responsible to, the colonial legislature and/or governor. Second, the New England colonies having created a unified military plan known as the New England Confederation, placed their individual militias under this regional authority. At various times the individual colonial authorities refused to cooperate and release militiamen to assist the general authority
    Militia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Regulation of the militia was codified by the Second Continental Congress with the Articles of Confederation. The revolutionaries also created a full-time regular army—the Continental Army—but because of manpower shortages the militia provided short-term support to the regulars in the field throughout the war.

    In colonial era Anglo-American usage, militia service was distinguished from military service in that the latter was normally a commitment for a fixed period of time of at least a year, for a salary, whereas militia was only to meet a threat, or prepare to meet a threat, for periods of time expected to be short. Militia persons were normally expected to provide their own weapons, equipment, or supplies, although they may later be compensated for losses or expenditures.[40]

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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    At the founding of the United States militias were mandated by colonial legislatures with short terms of service, less than a year. The colonial militias were more like our current National Guard - though this is a poor comparison as we don't actually have anything similar to a colonial militia today - and not at all like what we think of as militias today. It is interesting to note that militia service was mandatory and that militia members were required to provide their own guns, equipment, and provisions.

    Look into the Whiskey Rebellion to see how they were used to handle the minority

    Militia (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    For more information

    ARM - American Reformation Movement: Brief History of the United States Citizen Militia


    http://www.constitution.org/jw/acm_1-m.htm


    Militia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I see nothing in there to refute my premise. So...are citizen militias terrorist organizations or not?
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    Re: Far right domestic terrorism on par with foreign threat, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Contrary to what the ADL article said, militias are not a new phenomenom. They go back as far as the founding of this country and have always been present throughout this country's history. They have always indentified themselves as protectors of their neighbors and fellow citizens and deterrents to (to borrow a phrase from Alexis de Tocqueville, a 19th century French observer) "tyranny of the majority."

    Yes, there are fringe groups who sit around and discuss conspiracy theories and armed revolution, but I think you'd be surprised to find that the vast number of militia members see themselves as protectors of the people, in a defensive role, rather than the inciters of violence the media would portray them to be. One of the more recent examples I can think of involved a militia in Michigan who stood between police and a property owner in their community who was being treated unjustly. No verbal threats were exchanged. No shots were fired. The police backed down and everyone went home safe. Incidentally, in the incident that your link referenced there was one of the Hutaree extremists who intitially evaded arrest and went to the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia (the same militia involved in the peaceful police stand off I talked about above) for help. They encouraged the criminal to turn himself in and when he did not, they reported him to the police themselves.
    can you cite anything that tells us the majority of militias have no desire to incite revolution? that they believe in the rule of law? the media goes with what they know......and anythime militias are in the news, it's usually bad news.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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