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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not if there is willful misconduct.
    Can you prove there is willful misconduct?
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And how many MORE innocent people would be executed than already are?
    Certainly not a 36 year old mejican immigrant that raped and bashed the skull in of a teenager! That dood no longer represents a threat to society. Hell..Id even be willing to follow the norweigan model and release his dead body after 21 years...

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Part of the reason most developed nations have a lower homicide rate than we do is because they don't execute people. Their governments don't relish in killing, therefore their people don't practice it as frequently. Sorry if that offends your bloodlust.

    That said, I've always thought the 21-year max sentence was insane. There are some criminals that can never be made safe for society. And they should never be released. Releasing sociopaths, mass-murderers, joy killers, child molesters, and rapists just invites them to re-offend. They can't be rehabilitated. Releasing them is insane. I hope Norway will reconsider this policy.
    The Death Penalty saves lives. It acts as a deterrent, and how many would be murderers have been deterred we will never know.

    In Germany they released RAF (Rote Armee Faktion) terrorists. That decision opens the door for potential Islamic Terrorists to use the same avenue decades later. Had they executed the asses, there would have been no problem and there would have been closure. The families that lost people o the RAF must have been horrified.

    My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones, friends, neighbors, and colleagues... but Norway just got a glimpse of how ridiculous it is being compassionate to murderers. I have a question... This one scumbag killed 73-some people and should be permanently removed from existence, but every year in Philly you average a murder a day. Far more damage to far more individuals. All of them who premeditate heinous acts of murder should pay the ultimate price. It should be clear you are going to pay. No?

    Norway is in a bind, and are doing judicial gymnastics to try and deal with this. It shouldn't be so complicated.

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The Death Penalty saves lives. It acts as a deterrent, and how many would be murderers have been deterred we will never know.

    In Germany they released RAF (Rote Armee Faktion) terrorists. That decision opens the door for potential Islamic Terrorists to use the same avenue decades later. Had they executed the asses, there would have been no problem and there would have been closure. The families that lost people o the RAF must have been horrified.

    My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones, friends, neighbors, and colleagues... but Norway just got a glimpse of how ridiculous it is being compassionate to murderers. I have a question... This one scumbag killed 73-some people and should be permanently removed from existence, but every year in Philly you average a murder a day. Far more damage to far more individuals. All of them who premeditate heinous acts of murder should pay the ultimate price. It should be clear you are going to pay. No?

    Norway is in a bind, and are doing judicial gymnastics to try and deal with this. It shouldn't be so complicated.

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    Man... if you are right, just imagine the chaos the US would be in without the death penalty....

    5 murders per 100.000 people a year in the US.. vs the 0.6 in Norway and 0.86 in Germany...just think how much higher it would be in the US if there was no death penalty!!!!

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    The only report of outrage in Norway comes from the OP source, which is less than reliable. This thread is no more than an excuse for those desperate to justify American lack of gun control. There is no depth too low for them to stoop. The xenophobic bigotry is merely a side-effect of their obsession.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    you just pointed out the problem with the death penalty. The justice system is not perfect and the ability to reverse any decision is vital for a truly just outcome
    No, actually its not. The needs of the many outwiegh the needs of the few.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is what happens in a tolerant, Socialist/Liberal Country that has run amuck and become wimps.

    No crime screams slow painful death like terrorism such as this.

    I say hang the bastard in a town square and let his toes just touch the ground.

    Is that being vengeful? You damn bet it is. I hate the Islamic Cults but you have to admit that painful punishment keeps crime down.

    In California we have a meaningless death penalty that when it is used is painless. I have been under general anesthesia more times than I can count and I assure you there is no pain other than a little pin prick.

    The world is sometimes too nice all around.

    As a Christian I should not feel as I do about this because I'm have a pretty good idea that this fanatic maniac will never be forgiven for this much sin.


    First, allow me to make a correction to your theology: As a Christian you should realize that he CAN indeed be forgiven for "this much sin". In fact, his path to salvation is no more difficult than yours. Why it is unlikely that he will repent and get down on his knees to ask forgiveness, that is very much open to him. Moreover, as a Christian, your prayer should be that you see him in the Kingdom and are ready to call him brother. Though that is a difficult concept for many to grasp, it is correct Christian theology. (and, BTW, "hating" a group of people is also not a Christian virtue).

    Moreover, before you call the Norwegians wimps, realize they operate a society that has far, far less crime and violent crime than that of the US (in aggregate and per capita). They are doing a lot of things right. We should be taking lessons from them.

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Look at his gear. That dude was seriously into playing "G.I. Joe". What a dork.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, actually its not. The needs of the many outwiegh the needs of the few.
    Was not one of the basic principles of the justice system that it is better to let a thousand guilt men go free than to convict one innocent man? There is no need for the justice system to kill innocent people to benefit the many. the death penalty is not much of a deterent certainly not enough of one to kill innocent people.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Was not one of the basic principles of the justice system that it is better to let a thousand guilt men go free than to convict one innocent man? There is no need for the justice system to kill innocent people to benefit the many. the death penalty is not much of a deterent certainly not enough of one to kill innocent people.
    Bold part: Yes it is. And that applies to convictions. Not death penalties directed at people that have been already been convicted.

    The rest: imo it is. Especially as the DP protects more life than it kills also. How many guards have not died due to someone being put to death? How many prisoners lives have been spared due to the DP? How many lives on the outside of prison have been saved due to escapes thanks to the DP? Of course you wont find these numbers as it is impossible to determine the actual value so no one even tries.

    I would wager that its a lot more than the 130 or so innocents that have later been proven to be innocent in this country....most of which was before they were put to death.

    Also with the advent of DNA testing innocents being convicted will be far far less of a chance. Indeed it is mostly due to that DNA testing that has found that so many people have been later proven innocent.
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