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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Any chance he presents as a model prisoner and they HAVE to release him at 21 years? Guy doesnt appear to be mentally ill...Im thinking he can be as devious as fits his needs.
    The key here is.. "threat to society"... and that is a very very broad term. He can be the best model prisoner in history but if they believe he still is a threat to society then he will not be released.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Any chance he presents as a model prisoner and they HAVE to release him at 21 years? Guy doesnt appear to be mentally ill...Im thinking he can be as devious as fits his needs.
    That would be for the government of Norway to determine at that time. He may be reformed, and Norway might still think he is a threat and hold him longer. Given his ideology, I doubt 21 years will cause him to change much. Which causes me to think Norway will keep him locked up untill he is incapable of being a physical threat.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Don't they get appeals and what happened to innocent UNTIL proven guilty?
    People have been executed for crimes they didn't commit. No system is perfect. One comes to mind of a guy convicted of murdering all of his children via arson. Turns out that the fire investigators did a shoddy job and mislabeled the fire as arson. Turns out later that the fire was accidental, not even set by the guy. Whoops, he's already been executed.

    In this Norwegian dude's case, I'd bet $20 that he stays longer than the 21 years. Norway has one of those scary-ass "we release you when we feel like it" loopholes. I think there have been a few cases like that in the US with sex offenders, where they keep the guy in jail beyond his sentence because they say he's a danger. The mere existence of such a law bothers the hell out of me. What's the point of sentencing a specific term if it's going to be ignored?
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It would not be an accident now would it
    Yes it would. He was tried in a court of law, evidence was presented,testimonies were presented,arguments were made and they decided that based on those things that the defendant is guilty.
    It would be the intentional killing of someone, an innocent someone. Ie murder
    Murder the is the illegal killing of another person under the conditions described in the law. It is not illegal to execute someone.
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Maximum penalty in Norway isn`t 21 years, it`s 30 years. If I understand it correctly, 21 years is for murder, and this man can be sentenced for crimes against humanity. Though, he will most likeley be locked up until he dies in a maximum security prison because, as mentioned before, he will probably be sentenced to "forvaring". So I guess he will end up like he had in a US state without DP...
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    If only there was a dealth penalty in places like Texas these kinda things wouldn't happen. Or maybe you've just completly over simplified an extremely complex issue.
    Well, when you find a solution to this that is 100%, you be sure and start a thread about. K?

    The only problem I have with the death penalty, is that it's not used enough.

    Look at the crime rate in Mexico. They don't have a death penalty and drug crime is out of control.

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People have been executed for crimes they didn't commit. No system is perfect. One comes to mind of a guy convicted of murdering all of his children via arson. Turns out that the fire investigators did a shoddy job and mislabeled the fire as arson. Turns out later that the fire was accidental, not even set by the guy. Whoops, he's already been executed.

    In this Norwegian dude's case, I'd bet $20 that he stays longer than the 21 years. Norway has one of those scary-ass "we release you when we feel like it" loopholes. I think there have been a few cases like that in the US with sex offenders, where they keep the guy in jail beyond his sentence because they say he's a danger. The mere existence of such a law bothers the hell out of me. What's the point of sentencing a specific term if it's going to be ignored?
    People have been locked up for life, for crimes they didn't commit. Are we going to stop putting people in jail?

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That would be for the government of Norway to determine at that time. He may be reformed, and Norway might still think he is a threat and hold him longer. Given his ideology, I doubt 21 years will cause him to change much. Which causes me to think Norway will keep him locked up untill he is incapable of being a physical threat.
    Kinda makes the whole "we have a 21 year sentence" thing moot, huh?

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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People have been locked up for life, for crimes they didn't commit. Are we going to stop putting people in jail?
    No. That would be stupid.

    See, execution is not reversible. Prison is. If you are later discovered to be innocent, you can be released and compensated for your wrongful imprisonment. Until we figure out resurrection technology, the same cannot be said of the death penalty.

    But I'm sure you already knew all that. You did read the conversation that lead to my statement, right?
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    Re: Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 7

    That said, I've always thought the 21-year max sentence was insane. There are some criminals that can never be made safe for society. And they should never be released. Releasing sociopaths, mass-murderers, joy killers, child molesters, and rapists just invites them to re-offend. They can't be rehabilitated. Releasing them is insane. I hope Norway will reconsider this policy.
    I've never understood the point of life imprisonment. You might as well allow the prisoner the mercy of death's sweet embrace if you're going to throw away the key and have them rot their life away behind bars. Either a society should decide whether it's going to rid themselves of people who commit capital crimes or give them a chance to gradually reintegrate back into society. If a society chooses the latter, then it needs to do away with extremely long prison sentences.

    Many of the voices clamoring for life imprisonment or execution are just motivated by vengeance, anyway, and the opinions of the vengeful are not a valid basis for deciding the fate of a criminal.

    That being said, it's easier and cheaper just to put a bullet in a convict's brain than to make the effort to rehabilitate them. That's why a nation that decides rehabilitation is the correct path for its criminals needs to be completed committed to the task.

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