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Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 76

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Leave it to Eurotrash to be criminal sympathizers. A 21 year max and no death penalty. Has it ever occur them them that the only people who would find a 21 year sentence worth it are murderers and mass murderers?

First off, that's their laws. They are a sovereign nation and allowed to construct their own laws. If that's what they want, that's what they can have. Their choice. Secondly, it's already been pointed out in this very thread how it is possible to hold the man longer, and in this case very likely to do so.
 
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5.A dead murderer has zero chance of escaping.

How often are people escaping from our maximum security prisons though?
 
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First off, that's their laws. They are a sovereign nation and allowed to construct their own laws. If that's what they want, that's what they can have. Their choice.

I agree with you on that.However I am free to point out the flaw in their choice and bash it.

Secondly, it's already been pointed out in this very thread how it is possible to hold the man longer, and in this case very likely to do so.



If this is true then I guess it is better than nothing.
 
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I agree with you on that.However I am free to point out the flaw in their choice and bash it.

Yes, but it's just pissing in the wind. We have no control over their rules, no rightful say in how they punish criminals their. It's their system and no skin off my teeth. They are free to do as they like.


If this is true then I guess it is better than nothing.

From the first page:

For the love of god....the miss information is ripe over on the other side of the pond.

Maximum sentence is 21 years yes.

However there is Forvaring. This is a statute that states, if the criminal is a threat to society after his sentence then he/she can be put in "forvaring" (jail type scenario) form 10 to 21 years and then after that it can be extended every 5 years. This means he can be held for life.
 
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How often are people escaping from our maximum security prisons though?


Escape from maximum security prisons do happen. Inmates have 24/7 to think about what they are going to do. A guard has only 8 hours a day to think about what inmate are going to do.

2 Convicted Killers Escape From Maximum-Security Indiana Prison

Six Escape From Maximum-Security Prison - Caption - NYTimes.com

Prison Escapes on the Decline - ABC News
 
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From the first page:

Doesn't Pete like in Spain not Norway?
 
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Doesn't Pete like in Spain not Norway?

Does not make sense what you wrote, but if I try to decode it... then..

No I am not Spanish but Danish, as from Denmark, the country south of Norway, and former colonial master of Norway. Also Norway shares many of the same laws and legal framework as Denmark, including the law of "Forvaring".

Forvaring is only used against the most harden violent offenders that are a threat to society despite spending decades behind bars.
 
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Escape from maximum security prisons do happen. Inmates have 24/7 to think about what they are going to do. A guard has only 8 hours a day to think about what inmate are going to do.

2 Convicted Killers Escape From Maximum-Security Indiana Prison

Six Escape From Maximum-Security Prison - Caption - NYTimes.com

Prison Escapes on the Decline - ABC News

It does happen from time to time, but not often and is declining.
 
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1.Because he or she murdered a innocent person.I know scumbag sympathizers do not give a **** about the victims of these monsters, but normal people do and this is one of the reasons why we punish criminals and why the death penalty exists.

2.With the murderer dead the victim's loved ones are not paying to keep the victim's murderer alive.They are not paying for the murderer's medical bills, food or life time security to keep him alive safe and healthy.

3.A dead murderer is someone who can not harm or murder other people.

4. A dead murderer can not be pardoned or released for oil or to idiotic reasons like the UK did with the Lockerbie bomber.

5. A dead murderer can not give tv interviews.

5.A dead murderer has zero chance of escaping.

An executed innocent person has zero chance of being released.
 
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An executed innocent person has zero chance of being released.

Don't they get appeals and what happened to innocent UNTIL proven guilty?
 
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An executed innocent person has zero chance of being released.

Yes, but an executed guilty person has zero chance of doing the crime again.
 
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Does not make sense what you wrote, but if I try to decode it... then..

I meant to say "Doesn't Pete live in Spain?."
No I am not Spanish but Danish, as from Denmark, the country south of Norway, and former colonial master of Norway. Also Norway shares many of the same laws and legal framework as Denmark, including the law of "Forvaring".

Forvaring is only used against the most harden violent offenders that are a threat to society despite spending decades behind bars.

You are correct. It is called "containment".

Life imprisonment in Norway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Yes, but an executed guilty person has zero chance of doing the crime again.

And if the state kills an innocent person, should those involved be killed as well (it would be murder after all and premeditated as well

In other words as has been shown to occur a few innocent people have been executed by the state for crimes they did not commit. Should not the judge, jury, and person/people involved in the execution be charged with murder and then put to death for it
 
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And if the state kills an innocent person, should those involved be killed as well (it would be murder after all and premeditated as well
In other words as has been shown to occur a few innocent people have been executed by the state for crimes they did not commit. Should not the judge, jury, and person/people involved in the execution be charged with murder and then put to death for it
Murder is a legal term. The state accidentally killing an innocent man is not murder.
 
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I feel like the 8th amendment should be brought up at least to refresh everyone's memory of it.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Cruel means not using torture.

Unusual punishments inflicted does not apply to the DP as it has been around for thousands and thousands of years.
 
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Murder is a legal term. The state accidentally killing an innocent man is not murder.

It would not be an accident now would it

It would be the intentional killing of someone, an innocent someone. Ie murder
 
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Was hoping for actual studies to be honest. As it is I have no idea how they came about with thier findings beyond the little that these articles provide. Nor do they say how they took into account other laws and conditions. You listed poverty as one reason that DC may have such a high crime rate. I agree with you on that, along with adding that the gun control laws there are stricter than any other state. How did they take these into account?

In your third link the "study" was done on a questionaire sent out to 77 criminalologists. I've got to say thats not a very big number and small numbers tend to be filled with errors when it comes to statistics. We also know nothing of any of those criminalologists. For example could those guys/gals be against the DP? IE were they biased?

Now imo the DP doesn't deter crime...but neither does the lack of it make crime more likely to happen. It is too soft now adays and hidden away. Out of sight, out of mind so to say. But having the DP does have other advantages outside of detering or not detering crime. One is that it gives family closure. Second is that it keeps others safe once they are gone. By others I'm talking about other prisoners and guards, and yes..if they escape (even if it is rare when they do) innocent civilians.


Honestly I don't care that the DP is more expensive. Much of that "expensiveness" has to do with appeals which were put in place to try and make sure that innocents were not put to death. So if it helps the innocents then I don't care of the cost.
 
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And if the state kills an innocent person, should those involved be killed as well (it would be murder after all and premeditated as well

In other words as has been shown to occur a few innocent people have been executed by the state for crimes they did not commit. Should not the judge, jury, and person/people involved in the execution be charged with murder and then put to death for it

This is just hyperbole. People that are in the legal system are protected against such things. And for good reason. For example if a cop breaks down the door of a house because he/she had reason to believe that something bad was going on they are not liable to pay for the door if it turns out that he/she was wrong. The reason for this is so that cops don't have to second guess themselves because they are worried about having to pay the bill...which could stop them from successfully helping someone that IS in trouble on time. This applies to judges, and juries also. Would you really want a jury to let someone that was guilty as hell go just because they were worried that they might be convicting an innocent person and if found later to be innocent have to go to prison for X number of years? Sounds stupid to me.
 
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WOW!!! If thats true then this dood killed a whole lotta people and will be released when he is 53 years old???
 
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This is just hyperbole. People that are in the legal system are protected against such things. And for good reason. For example if a cop breaks down the door of a house because he/she had reason to believe that something bad was going on they are not liable to pay for the door if it turns out that he/she was wrong. The reason for this is so that cops don't have to second guess themselves because they are worried about having to pay the bill...which could stop them from successfully helping someone that IS in trouble on time. This applies to judges, and juries also. Would you really want a jury to let someone that was guilty as hell go just because they were worried that they might be convicting an innocent person and if found later to be innocent have to go to prison for X number of years? Sounds stupid to me.

If the person was innoccent, but still alive he/she can be released and compensated which has occured both in Canada and the US. If the person is innocent but killed by the state, he/she can not be compensated, and as killing an innoccent person is murder, someone should have to pay for it. As you can execute the entire government, the people involved directly can be. It certainly would make all involved far more careful in who they decide to sentance to the death penatly
 
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For the love of god....the miss information is ripe over on the other side of the pond.

Maximum sentence is 21 years yes.

However there is Forvaring. This is a statute that states, if the criminal is a threat to society after his sentence then he/she can be put in "forvaring" (jail type scenario) form 10 to 21 years and then after that it can be extended every 5 years. This means he can be held for life.

Unless of course he demonstrates remorse and is a model prisoner...right? Then they would HAVE to let him out at 21 years.
 
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WOW!!! If thats true then this dood killed a whole lotta people and will be released when he is 53 years old???

If at 53 he is found to be a threat, he will be held for a much longer time. Serial rapists or murderers would be held untill they are too old or invalidic to be a threat
 
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If at 53 he is found to be a threat, he will be held for a much longer time. Serial rapists or murderers would be held untill they are too old or invalidic to be a threat

Any chance he presents as a model prisoner and they HAVE to release him at 21 years? Guy doesnt appear to be mentally ill...Im thinking he can be as devious as fits his needs.
 
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If the person was innoccent, but still alive he/she can be released and compensated which has occured both in Canada and the US. If the person is innocent but killed by the state, he/she can not be compensated,

Thier family can be compensated.

and as killing an innoccent person is murder, someone should have to pay for it. As you can execute the entire government, the people involved directly can be. It certainly would make all involved far more careful in who they decide to sentance to the death penatly

And you just totally ignored what I said.
 
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Thier family can be compensated.



And you just totally ignored what I said.

No I didnt

Monetary compensation can be paid by the state to protect its employees directly to the person wrongly held

A dead person can not be compensated, and as he was murdered by the state and entirely different level of punishement is called for then just being wrongly held. Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. A death for a death. Meaning those involved in wrongly ending a persons life should have thier life ended as well. Proper compensation, and a deterent to killing people unless absolutely certain they are guiltly
 
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