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BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

The GOP needs to stop. Raise the god damn taxes on the rich! For all the sacrificed their lives for this Nation. These wealthy people can sacrifice a few dollars. Not forever. But for now until we get the last 2 decades of crazy-ass spending under control! Not to mention the corporate welfare! For the love of GOD! Plus the Dems need to cut welfare on the lazy and destroy all State Unions!

how about everyone else make sacrifices too

what Obama is saying is that all the spending proposed to be cut benefits EVERYONE but the rich so in order to spread the misery those who pay for the programs have to pay MORE and everyone else who benefits from those programs will have a little less benefits. Obama thus proves that the massive spending doesn't benefit the rich-rather cutting spending does while everyone else will contribute by getting less from the government.

its BS

NO ONE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES (which only encourages the libs to spend more to buy votes) until the government proves it can be less reckless in its spending
 
The corporation pays waaaaay more taxes than the worker. The corporation pay unemploymet, workman's comp, social security and medicare.

Stop with the myths, please.

Corporations aren't paying more taxes. More than half of the Fortune 500 (ie the most profitable corps in the world) paid no taxes

It's part of their effort to redistribute wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in order to coerce the middle class into accepting third world wages. They should be called "cheap labor con artists", not corporations
 
how about everyone else make sacrifices too

what Obama is saying is that all the spending proposed to be cut benefits EVERYONE but the rich so in order to spread the misery those who pay for the programs have to pay MORE and everyone else who benefits from those programs will have a little less benefits. Obama thus proves that the massive spending doesn't benefit the rich-rather cutting spending does while everyone else will contribute by getting less from the government.

its BS

NO ONE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES (which only encourages the libs to spend more to buy votes) until the government proves it can be less reckless in its spending

It is always easier raising taxes on someone else just like it is easier forcing people to pay taxes vs. voluntarily sending in more money from current liberal paychecks than the tax code requires. Never in my life have I seen such passion on raising taxes on others. If liberals are so concerned about govt. revenue where is the voluntary sending in of more of their cash from their income? Just goes to show the true colors of liberalism true hypocrites who simply want to spread their misery equally to everyone else.

Again, posted many times but ignored every time. Obama is talking about 700 billion in tax revenue from the rich. That is 70 billion a year if it happens thus a drop in the bucket in our 3.7 trillion dollar debt.

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all FIT taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all FIT taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all FIT taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all FIT taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.
 
Corporations aren't paying more taxes. More than half of the Fortune 500 (ie the most profitable corps in the world) paid no taxes

It's part of their effort to redistribute wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in order to coerce the middle class into accepting third world wages. They should be called "cheap labor con artists", not corporations

So what, do their employees pay taxes? Do they pay State and local taxes? do they contribute to charities? You always care about what someone else is paying in taxes. Do your fair share and send in more of your money to the govt.
 
how about everyone else make sacrifices too

I had to laugh this morning when I read this. The GOP and the plan that you support requires the most needy and the elderly to carry almost all of the burden. There is nothing in the GOP plan that requires the most wealthy to make ANY sacrifice.

From your response here....it would sound like you support what Obama wants to do....which is requiring EVERYONE to make sacrifices....which includes the wealthiest among us as well.
 
how about everyone else make sacrifices too

what Obama is saying is that all the spending proposed to be cut benefits EVERYONE but the rich so in order to spread the misery those who pay for the programs have to pay MORE and everyone else who benefits from those programs will have a little less benefits. Obama thus proves that the massive spending doesn't benefit the rich-rather cutting spending does while everyone else will contribute by getting less from the government.

its BS

NO ONE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES (which only encourages the libs to spend more to buy votes) until the government proves it can be less reckless in its spending

The middle class has been making all the sacrifices while the rich just suck up more money from the middle class.

What Obama said was that its' time for the rich pay their fair share instead of having the private jets paid for with tax dollars from the middle class. With trillion dollar bailouts, the wealthy do not need any more govt welfare. It's time to stop the richs' culture of dependency. He said that since the wealthy are the biggest user of govt welfare, it's time they started paying their fair share. Only the right wingers think the wealthy didn't benefit from massive bailouts (which are the only way the wealthy welfare recipients can stay in business).

THE RICH SHOULD PAY MORE so they won't be able to afford to keep buying our political representatives and they should keep on paying until they prove they can make money without regular bailouts and govt subsidies. The richs' hatred of the american worker will make it hard to get these taxes past the richs' bought off politicians, but it has to be done to stop the reckless rich
 
I had to laugh this morning when I read this. The GOP and the plan that you support requires the most needy and the elderly to carry almost all of the burden. There is nothing in the GOP plan that requires the most wealthy to make ANY sacrifice.

From your response here....it would sound like you support what Obama wants to do....which is requiring EVERYONE to make sacrifices....which includes the wealthiest among us as well.

Are you ever going to address the following:

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.
 
The middle class has been making all the sacrifices while the rich just suck up more money from the middle class.

What Obama said was that its' time for the rich pay their fair share instead of having the private jets paid for with tax dollars from the middle class. With trillion dollar bailouts, the wealthy do not need any more govt welfare. It's time to stop the richs' culture of dependency. He said that since the wealthy are the biggest user of govt welfare, it's time they started paying their fair share. Only the right wingers think the wealthy didn't benefit from massive bailouts (which are the only way the wealthy welfare recipients can stay in business).

THE RICH SHOULD PAY MORE so they won't be able to afford to keep buying our political representatives and they should keep on paying until they prove they can make money without regular bailouts and govt subsidies. The richs' hatred of the american worker will make it hard to get these taxes past the richs' bought off politicians, but it has to be done to stop the reckless rich

Why do you continue to buy the lies of this Administration?
 
It is always easier raising taxes on someone else just like it is easier forcing people to pay taxes vs. voluntarily sending in more money from current liberal paychecks than the tax code requires.

That's why the rich has been paying the politician to raise taxes on the middle class vs having the rich pay their fair share. The self-entitled rich think they earned their massive bailouts because destroying the economy was hard work.

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So what, do their employees pay taxes? Do they pay State and local taxes? do they contribute to charities? You always care about what someone else is paying in taxes. Do your fair share and send in more of your money to the govt.

The wealthy, and their rightwing apologists are fine with the middle class shouldering the entire burden. The rightwingers only want the middle class to pay taxes because the rightwing supports a program of massive redistribution of wealth.
 
The wealthy, and their rightwing apologists are fine with the middle class shouldering the entire burden. The rightwingers only want the middle class to pay taxes because the rightwing supports a program of massive redistribution of wealth.

I really wouldn't speak for people you can't possibly hope to understand, dude. You know NOTHING but hackery and hyperbole.
 
I had to laugh this morning when I read this. The GOP and the plan that you support requires the most needy and the elderly to carry almost all of the burden. There is nothing in the GOP plan that requires the most wealthy to make ANY sacrifice.

From your response here....it would sound like you support what Obama wants to do....which is requiring EVERYONE to make sacrifices....which includes the wealthiest among us as well.

This is laughable, but it's right down the 50-year-old party line from the liberals.

Actually, the wealthy pay virtually ALL the taxes, thank you.
 
Are you ever going to address the following:

The rightwing likes to focus on the federal income tax to the exclusion of all the other taxes because they know that the wealthy are being subsidized by our tax code. They won't talk about all the govt subsidies the rich receive because they don't want people to know how dependent on govt welfare the lazy rich are.

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That's why the rich has been paying the politician to raise taxes on the middle class vs having the rich pay their fair share. The self-entitled rich think they earned their massive bailouts because destroying the economy was hard work.

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Sounds like jealousy to me, tell me how any rich person hurt you, your family, or anyone that you know? The pie isn't one size, it grows. Grab your share but don't expect someone else to give it to you
 
Sounds like jealousy to me, tell me how any rich person hurt you, your family, or anyone that you know? The pie isn't one size, it grows. Grab your share but don't expect someone else to give it to you

Yes, the rich are jealous of the power of the middle class. That's why the wealthy want to impoverish the middle class; to impoverish the workers until their willing to accept third world wages. The rich think that if they hold the money, their position will be secure, but its' only temporary.
 
The rightwing likes to focus on the federal income tax to the exclusion of all the other taxes because they know that the wealthy are being subsidized by our tax code. They won't talk about all the govt subsidies the rich receive because they don't want people to know how dependent on govt welfare the lazy rich are.

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All other taxes are use taxes and it is liberal that ignore what an increase in the taxes on the rich does to state, local, and community taxes that these people pay as well. Interesting that you continue to ignore that 47% of income earners aren't paying any Federal Income taxes yet continue to point out how well the upper income earners are doing. Why is that? I asked what was the Rich's fair share and never get an answer from you, that is because you know the answer, very little in the overall scheme of things but you prefer the issue and to appeal to the brainwashed who hate anyone who has more than they do. Why do you expect anyone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues for that is what liberals want the taxpayers to do.
 
Yes, the rich are jealous of the power of the middle class. That's why the wealthy want to impoverish the middle class; to impoverish the workers until their willing to accept third world wages. The rich think that if they hold the money, their position will be secure, but its' only temporary.

Looks to me like liberals want to keep the poor in poverty. the rich don't care what anyone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? Liberals get their power from the ignorant and brainwashed for keeping them dependent keeps them under liberal control.
 
All other taxes are use taxes and it is liberal that ignore what an increase in the taxes on the rich does to state, local, and community taxes that these people pay as well. Interesting that you continue to ignore that 47% of income earners aren't paying any Federal Income taxes yet continue to point out how well the upper income earners are doing. Why is that? I asked what was the Rich's fair share and never get an answer from you, that is because you know the answer, very little in the overall scheme of things but you prefer the issue and to appeal to the brainwashed who hate anyone who has more than they do. Why do you expect anyone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues for that is what liberals want the taxpayers to do.

Tax credits received by the wealthy are not use taxes; they're govt welfare for the lazy rich who cant make dime one without govt support. The rightwing wants to soak the poor so that the rich can continue to recieve their govt welfare, but it is time to make the rich pay their fair share and take some personal responsibility for their wasteful ways.
 
I had to laugh this morning when I read this. The GOP and the plan that you support requires the most needy and the elderly to carry almost all of the burden. There is nothing in the GOP plan that requires the most wealthy to make ANY sacrifice.

From your response here....it would sound like you support what Obama wants to do....which is requiring EVERYONE to make sacrifices....which includes the wealthiest among us as well.

Except when they do it, no sacrifice is involved. Their dis is gruntled. That's it.
 
Looks to me like liberals want to keep the poor in poverty. the rich don't care what anyone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? Liberals get their power from the ignorant and brainwashed for keeping them dependent keeps them under liberal control.

The charts I posted show the richs plan to impoverish the middle class is working. The rich doesn't care if people can't afford a middle class lifestyle. The rich and their rightwing apologists get their power by buying off politicians with the wealth the middle class created.
 
Tax credits received by the wealthy are not use taxes; they're govt welfare for the lazy rich who cant make dime one without govt support. The rightwing wants to soak the poor so that the rich can continue to recieve their govt welfare, but it is time to make the rich pay their fair share and take some personal responsibility for their wasteful ways.

Tax credits? Do you know what tax credits are? If people didn't make income there wouldn't be any tax credits thus keeping more of what they earn. You sure have a problem with rich people and the question is why? Do you begrudge people like Bill Gates who started as a college drop out and made billions and took a lot of people with him? Not sure what your problem is but thankfully you are in a declining minority.
 
The charts I posted show the richs plan to impoverish the middle class is working. The rich doesn't care if people can't afford a middle class lifestyle. The rich and their rightwing apologists get their power by buying off politicians with the wealth the middle class created.

That is what you think your charts show? To me they show jealousy and not what the rich do with their money. You don't seem to care but only hate rich people for some reason. The question is why and why do you think someone else should pay for your personal responsibility issues?
 
Tax credits? Do you know what tax credits are? If people didn't make income there wouldn't be any tax credits thus keeping more of what they earn. You sure have a problem with rich people and the question is why? Do you begrudge people like Bill Gates who started as a college drop out and made billions and took a lot of people with him? Not sure what your problem is but thankfully you are in a declining minority.

Tax credits and deductions are used by the rich to avoid paying their fair share. Add in govt subsidies, bailouts and supports, and you've just begun to see the extent of the wealthys' plan to soak the middle class. Their problem is that they have no conscience and they are jealous of the wealth created by the middle class
 
Except when they do it, no sacrifice is involved. Their dis is gruntled. That's it.

Do you always think only with your heart? How many Americans do you believe truly need taxpayer help and cannot make it on their own or with the help of family? What sacrifice are you taking to help the poor?
 
That is what you think your charts show? To me they show jealousy and not what the rich do with their money. You don't seem to care but only hate rich people for some reason. The question is why and why do you think someone else should pay for your personal responsibility issues?

They show the results of the lazy richs' jealousy of the hardworking middle class. It's time to make the rich take some personal responsibility for destroying our economy with their greed
 
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