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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Cradle to grave coverage in France is a joke and bankrupting the country
    Again, you are simply mistaken. France probably has the most successful health care system in the world.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    What AdamT is trying to convey, I feel, is what I am trying to get you guys to see. If you follow one ideology to the extreme, you are missing out on many positive aspects on life. Each side has something to offer, and that includes conservatives. America is NOT perfect. We have the most social stratification, to the point that our Health Care Industry is booming, to a point that our GDP is not able to sustain our current health care system. Even though we could argue the ways it was reformed, I think we all understand that Health Care Reform is required. On top of that, we are probably the most violent country in the world, simply because fear sells in the press, and the fact that people mis interpret the second amendment. The point of the second amendment is to overthrow an oppressive government, not to stop liquor store robberies.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or underemployment over 24 million TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index(7.83 to 12.67).



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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    The govt has the power to tax people, not to make some feel better, but to promote the general welfare.
    And how's that working out? Not just in the USA but all over the world? When the government takes to much in taxes they starve the people and distribute money, and rights, according to their own political whims. Government is necessary, but it must be controlled up close by the people.
    The govt gets this power from the people, who have delegated this power to the govt. You can distort the justification of this power as being a feel-good policy, but that does not change the facts in any way.
    Much of the government power has not been delegated by the people. It was just money, and then power, that the government assumed. They exercise their power and there is little, or nothing, the individual can do about it.

    You will pay them what they want and if you don't you will go to one of their prisons, They have power over everything you own, with more control coming, and everything you earn. It is they who decide what you will keep for yourself, not you. And that power they have usurped from the people cannot be taken back without their final collapse.

    And if the people support politicians who uses this power to gain re-election by doing what the people want, then that is a feature of democracy, not a bug.
    If people want to give the government ever more power then the consequence will be like every government that has gained too much control in the past. The power will be gone from the people as the politicians try to meet the demands the people make of them. Then it inevitably all goes bad.

    The interesting thing about this is that every people have believed themselves immune from this inevitability, that government can somehow meet all their needs and desires, that they can remove the fears that life brings and we can live without care under their benign and well intentioned guidance.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, you are simply mistaken. France probably has the most successful health care system in the world.
    Not according to the Left.

    The Militant - September 22, 2003 -- French capitalism kills 12,000 during heat wave, Paris blames ‘mother nature’

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Hmm, I'm not sure how relevant an eight-year old story about a record heat wave is. Try this article from Business Week: The French Lesson In Health Care

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And how's that working out? Not just in the USA but all over the world? When the government takes to much in taxes they starve the people and distribute money, and rights, according to their own political whims. Government is necessary, but it must be controlled up close by the people.
    It's working great

    Much of the government power has not been delegated by the people. It was just money, and then power, that the government assumed. They exercise their power and there is little, or nothing, the individual can do about it.
    You will pay them what they want and if you don't you will go to one of their prisons, They have power over everything you own, with more control coming, and everything you earn. It is they who decide what you will keep for yourself, not you. And that power they have usurped from the people cannot be taken back without their final collapse.
    All govt power is delegated to the govt from the people through the democratic process


    If people want to give the government ever more power then the consequence will be like every government that has gained too much control in the past. The power will be gone from the people as the politicians try to meet the demands the people make of them. Then it inevitably all goes bad.

    The interesting thing about this is that every people have believed themselves immune from this inevitability, that government can somehow meet all their needs and desires, that they can remove the fears that life brings and we can live without care under their benign and well intentioned guidance.
    All govt power is delegated to the govt from the people through the democratic process. People get the govt they voted for.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    I find it hypocritical for someone to use a source they themselves do not believe
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I find it hypocritical for someone to use a source they themselves do not believe
    Which does not address the article information and your feelings on the source are irrelevant.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hmm, I'm not sure how relevant an eight-year old story about a record heat wave is. Try this article from Business Week: The French Lesson In Health Care
    The relevance is that, even with French health care being administered by the government, it is still not enough for those who feel the government should be responsible for everything and that "capitalism", and thus personal freedom, must be eliminated..

    But as we can see in this case, and millions of others, governments cannot protect us from everything, they can only promise to.

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