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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    No, the job of the Federal govt. is to provide incentive so that people don't need that so called Federal help. You think it is my responsibility to pay for your healthcare? You always talk about the Federal Govt, and ignore that the Federal Govt. gets its money from the taxpayers. Why should a taxpayer in Ohio pay for someone else's healthcare in California. Send your money to the Federal govt so they can deduct administrative fees and decide where to send it. That created the 14.4 trillion debt we have today.
    And the fed govt provides incentives by providing funding to the states. And it is your responsibility to pay whatever the law says you must pay.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    In response to the thread constructively criticizing my post, here is my response.

    One, my source of information that the Federal Government was able to save police forces and fire houses, was from the President himself. And, I know you are not going to think that is a valid source, for you perceive him as a man of lies.

    I would argue, that it is very dangerous to think in extremes, or black and white. In fact, that is considered a cognitive distortion in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I implore you, to try and see the other side. I understand that maybe something that the other side did angered you, might of done something horrible in your life, but if you are religious, I think you might understand the concept of forgiveness.

    You are right. It is both sides that is responsible for the debt crisis. I also want to point out, that there is 24 hours in the day, and the President needs sleep or he would even be a worse leader if your mind could comprehend that. Which means, there is only so much he can do, as with anyone in office. They are human, not machines.
    Which is a lie, but you bought it so prove it. States are responsible for solving their own problems, why do you believe someone from another state should fund your police?

    Both sides did create the problem, but only one side seems to understand personal responsibility and states rights.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Name for me one single payer system that is working anywhere in the world?
    France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, South Korea, Great Britain, etc., etc.

    In fact they all provide essentially the same level of care we do, and generally at half the cost per capita. Eventually we will have to go to single payer or health care costs will permanently bankrupt us.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    And the fed govt provides incentives by providing funding to the states. And it is your responsibility to pay whatever the law says you must pay.
    A typical non answer, so because the state has that right makes it ok but only as long as liberals control the legislative process? Why should the Federal Taxpayer provide incentive to the states and ignore their own state?

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Which is a lie, but you bought it so prove it.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, South Korea, Great Britain, etc., etc.

    In fact they all provide essentially the same level of care we do, and generally at half the cost per capita. Eventually we will have to go to single payer or health care costs will permanently bankrupt us.
    Not all of those are single payer. In fact, I believe most are not. They are UHC's.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, South Korea, Great Britain, etc., etc.

    In fact they all provide essentially the same level of care we do, and generally at half the cost per capita. Eventually we will have to go to single payer or health care costs will permanently bankrupt us.
    LOL, paid any attention to the economic conditions in those countries? All are trying to dismantle those single payer systems, wonder why? The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    A typical non answer, so because the state has that right makes it ok but only as long as liberals control the legislative process? Why should the Federal Taxpayer provide incentive to the states and ignore their own state?
    A typical non-response. And yes, it makes it OK.
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    That wasn't how the stimulus was sold and you know it, nor was it the Federal Taxpayer responsibility to bail out other state unions and take over their responsibilities

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Just because something "should" happen, doesn't mean it does. The ideology that President Obama has is Big Government. He believes that the Federal Government is capable for providing all the needs for all its citizens. I think I understand the counter arguments to this, which is why I pointed out in my original post, that I would argue it is not in the Federal Government's place to do what he did. It is the States' responsibility to ensure the solventy of police forces and fire houses.

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