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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    State and local governments are closer to the people as intended by our Founders. If you have a problem at the state level how do you expect a bloated federal bureaucracy to help you? You actually think a politician in D.C. is going to help you in your local community? Think about it, all wishful thinking by proponents of a large central govt. What creates such brainwashing?
    The problems listed in the post you responded to are not "state level" problems. No one has argued that the Feds should be dealing with every problem, so your argument here is a straw man.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    I agree with most of what you said, but I think you are mistaken about health care reform. In fact, the program was pre-compromised in order to -- unrealistically, as it turned out -- avoid major republican opposition. Thus, instead of starting out with single payer, as Obama would surely prefer, Democrats submitted a plan that was essentially written by Republicans in response to Clinton's health care proposal, and later adopted by Mitt Romney in MA. That is the mistake that Obama can't seem to unlearn; his staring position is always the position that he would like to wind up with after negotiations have taken place. Perhaps this makes some sense, in retrospect. He understands that republicans will simply refuse to negotiate, so he is in effect writing in the changes that they would make if they were remotely reasonable.
    I mostly agree, but I don't think Obama wanted things like single payer, UHC or a public option just as he not opposed to cutting spending and programs like SS and Medicare
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    The Founders obviously intended for there to be a federal government that was meant to provide for the general welfare. Otherwise they would have simply restricted its scope to national defense. And yes, I do think that politicians in Washington are helping my local community. Lord save of us if we had to rely exclusively on the clowns who run the show down here.
    Promote the General Welfare, not provide for it, that is until politicians learned they can buy votes and keep their job and power by providing people with anything. If you have clowns running your state then why not do something about it, get involved, run for office, take the jobs of those clowns. The role of the Federal Govt. isn't to provide for all that you need but instead make it easier for people like you to earn what you want. There is quite a difference

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    I mostly agree, but I don't think Obama wanted things like single payer, UHC or a public option just as he not opposed to cutting spending and programs like SS and Medicare
    Name for me one single payer system that is working anywhere in the world?

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Promote the General Welfare, not provide for it, that is until politicians learned they can buy votes and keep their job and power by providing people with anything. If you have clowns running your state then why not do something about it, get involved, run for office, take the jobs of those clowns. The role of the Federal Govt. isn't to provide for all that you need but instead make it easier for people like you to earn what you want. There is quite a difference
    The job of the Federal govt is to promote the general welfare by providing funding for programs that do that.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The problems listed in the post you responded to are not "state level" problems. No one has argued that the Feds should be dealing with every problem, so your argument here is a straw man.
    Police, fire, teachers, state highways are state responsibilities not the Federal govt. What do you pay state taxes for?

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Name for me one single payer system that is working anywhere in the world?
    Cuba has a better health care system than we do.
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

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    Police, fire, teachers, state highways are state responsibilities not the Federal govt. What do you pay state taxes for?
    The federal govt is allowed to help the states by providing funds
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    In response to the thread constructively criticizing my post, here is my response.

    One, my source of information that the Federal Government was able to save police forces and fire houses, was from the President himself. And, I know you are not going to think that is a valid source, for you perceive him as a man of lies.

    I would argue, that it is very dangerous to think in extremes, or black and white. In fact, that is considered a cognitive distortion in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I implore you, to try and see the other side. I understand that maybe something that the other side did angered you, might of done something horrible in your life, but if you are religious, I think you might understand the concept of forgiveness.

    You are right. It is both sides that is responsible for the debt crisis. I also want to point out, that there is 24 hours in the day, and the President needs sleep or he would even be a worse leader if your mind could comprehend that. Which means, there is only so much he can do, as with anyone in office. They are human, not machines.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The job of the Federal govt is to promote the general welfare by providing funding for programs that do that.
    No, the job of the Federal govt. is to provide incentive so that people don't need that so called Federal help. You think it is my responsibility to pay for your healthcare? You always talk about the Federal Govt, and ignore that the Federal Govt. gets its money from the taxpayers. Why should a taxpayer in Ohio pay for someone else's healthcare in California. Send your money to the Federal govt so they can deduct administrative fees and decide where to send it. That created the 14.4 trillion debt we have today.

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