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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this whole argument is ridiculous. EVERYONE wants to pay less in taxes. some of us just realize that reality is smacking us in the face.
    Right, this is ridiculous. you honestly believe that people making 50,000 or less cannot pay anything for the services they receive from the taxpayers?

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You saying it happens doesn't make it actually happen. I could say I poop jelly beans, but that doesn't make it true. Neither does saying it in every single thread, multiple times, without cause or correllation.
    The rightwingers defense of the rich is so lacking in fact that they have to deny what everyone knows; that in recent years the rich have received massive bailouts funded by the middle class with their tax dollars.

    Anyone can say whatever you want, wherever you want, as long they abide by the rules. I'll exercise my choices however I please.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How much more of your money are you sending to the govt. so they can take care of those people you claim you care about? What is ridiculous is a belief that the govt. can solve social problems. That is the role of the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. How much are you spending in food, gasoline, and other necessities for the poor?
    you are truly a one trick pony.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The middle class is paying more than their fair share of all taxes, so the rich can get a free ride on the back of the middle class. The middle class also gives a higher portion of the income to charity. By all measures, the rich have shown that they are devoid of compassion and conscience.
    This is pure entertainment, thanks! What a joke!

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Oh, good Lord, another percentage change argument. Since those evil rich people are already paying 38% of the FIT they already start at a disadvantage of spendable income over people who pay zero. Nice try but irrelevant.
    The fact that so many Americans don't pay income tax is basically attributable to three things: 1) the recession, 2) increasing income disparity, and 3) tax credits (mainly EITC and dependent exemptions.

    Two-thirds of the 45% who don't pay income tax make less than $20k per year. How much money do you think you're going to raise by taxing those people? Not much. That's because a relatively small percentage of Americans control the vast majority of the wealth.

    Over the years, the percentage of taxes paid by the wealthy relative to everyone else has fallen considerably -- just as their share of the wealth has risen. If this trend continues we will eventually become very much like a third world country, with a few very rich people, a lot of poor people, and not much in between. That, in turn, leads to social unrest and political instability. This benefits no one in the long term.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh good lord. It's not percent change, it is percent of income. It is clearly labeled as that in fact.

    The reason some people no Federal Income tax is because their income is so low. If you are wealthy, you in fact have more income, even when it is taxed. Paying 0 % of 30k means you have 30k income, paying 38 % of 250 k means you have 155k income. Who has more spendable income?
    That depends on the rest of the story? Do they live in the same town, same development? Or is one making 250K in New York City, trying to pay for a 900 sq. foot apartment and barely making it by, while the other makes 30k in Fort Wayne, IN and owns a 2100 sq. ft home? That's the problem with arbitrarily picking a number based on what percentage of people make that amount (or whatever logic they're using). Far more goes into determining somebody's financial status than just income. Their geographic location, debts, dependents, medical condition....all of it can make two people with vastly different incomes markedly similar onces all of the chips are counted.
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, this is ridiculous. you honestly believe that people making 50,000 or less cannot pay anything for the services they receive from the taxpayers?
    I beleive that the rich should pay their fair share before they start whining about how others aren't paying their fair share.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is pure entertainment, thanks! What a joke!
    Stick around. I got plenty, and I'll be around for a while

    As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. “I tell you the truth,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.” Luke 21:1-4
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you are truly a one trick pony.
    Too bad that "one trick pony" confuses you with facts, logic, and common sense as I never get an answer from you.

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all FIT taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all FIT taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all FIT taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all FIT taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing in FIT and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Stick around. I got plenty, and I'll be around for a while
    Jesus taught us all Free will, never taking from someone else to give to others. he left that to the compassion of others and would reward people accordingly. You and your ilk are looking for forced redistribution and that goes against the teachings of Jesus

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