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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Call is slippery slope if you like, but it makes sense that, if you believe raising taxes on the so called rich is the only right and moral thing to do then the you must also believe that the higher the taxation, the more moral and right it is, especially since I've never seen someone who advocates for taxing the rich express how much, they think, would finally be enough.
    Despite very clearly telling you the opposite, you've reached this conclusion about my beliefs.

    Also, you're speaking of corporations as if they don't contribute anything (like jobs and taxes) or provide any service. You also ignore the reality that anyone starting a business also runs the risk of having it fail spectacularly. The only reason to incur such risk is the potential for great reward. I know how distasteful the word "profit" is to some, but many people, rich and poor, benefit from the things brought about because of a motive to make money.
    Just because I didn't mention something in one post doesn't mean I don't think it. You're once again wrong about my beliefs.

    I don't disagree that everyone should pay. The rich are paying and fully about half of the population is supported by the other half. Tell me how the so called poor (folks in other countries would just love the standard of living our poor have) are paying when they somehow get a tax refund on taxes they never had to pay. I'd really be interested in knowing how much "soaking the rich" would be enough for you.
    And now you've just contradicted yourself. You already formed the opinion that I think the rich should be taxed at 100% because that's somehow more moral. It's standard conservative absolutism. You can't see the world in anything except black and white, so I see no reason to discuss it further with you.

    I mean, I couldn't have spelled it out any clearer, but you went there anyway. Jesus, man. How do you live thinking this way?


    Me: "I don't think taxing the rich more is always better."
    You: "You think taxing the rich more is always better."

    Really?
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    The GOP needs to stop. Raise the god damn taxes on the rich! For all the sacrificed their lives for this Nation. These wealthy people can sacrifice a few dollars. Not forever. But for now until we get the last 2 decades of crazy-ass spending under control! Not to mention the corporate welfare! For the love of GOD! Plus the Dems need to cut welfare on the lazy and destroy all State Unions!
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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or maybe they're announcing they have a deal.

    Like I said, wouldn't want to have your worldview challenged, right? It's easier to just assume the president was whining and tomorrow you can talk with your right-wing buddies about how the president was whining, and they'll laugh and agree because they didn't watch it either.

    Even if you do watch it, you'll figure out a way to assume he was whining anyway. Doesn't matter what he says, you'll manage to interpret it that way. Proof will come later tonight when you post to this end.
    Looks like I hit the nail on the head. Obama came out, to repeat the same propaganda he's been spewing for weeks, now.

    I guess if he says it enough, people will believe it. It's just a shame that he would manipulate the media for his own political gain. But, that's really all he has going for him.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    The GOP needs to stop. Raise the god damn taxes on the rich! For all the sacrificed their lives for this Nation. These wealthy people can sacrifice a few dollars. Not forever. But for now until we get the last 2 decades of crazy-ass spending under control! Not to mention the corporate welfare! For the love of GOD! Plus the Dems need to cut welfare on the lazy and destroy all State Unions!
    You really are falling for all this bull****. Aren't you?

    Don't forget the green programs. We have to raise taxes to pay for that crap, too.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Feedback starting to line up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/opinion/26tue1.html

    House Republicans have lost sight of the country’s welfare. It’s hard to conclude anything else from their latest actions, including the House speaker’s dismissal of President Obama’s plea for compromise Monday night. They have largely succeeded in their campaign to ransom America’s economy for the biggest spending cuts in a generation. They have warped an exercise in paying off current debt into an argument about future spending. Yet, when they win another concession, they walk away.

    This increasingly reckless game has pushed the nation to the brink of ruinous default. The Republicans have dimmed the futures of millions of jobless Americans, whose hopes for work grow more out of reach as government job programs are cut and interest rates begin to rise. They have made the federal government a laughingstock around the globe.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    The NYT? There's a non-partisan source for yuz.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    And here's what CNN has to say.


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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    "They have warped an exercise in paying off current debt into an argument about future spending."
    LOL - What? There hasn't been a plan introduced that will actually pay off current debt. At best they slow the spending binge.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Harry Reid Calls House Republicans’ Bluff | ThinkProgress

    What Harry Reid did yesterday was essentially call the GOP’s bluff by outlining a plan that raises the debt ceiling by $2.7 trillion and includes $2.7 trillion in spending cuts, a healthy share of which comes from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Republicans are rejecting this even though it nominally meets their demands. Why? Because it doesn’t achieve either of their two real objectives. In particular, the plan doesn’t cut Medicare, which means that Democratic party candidates for office in November 2012 and 2014 can accurately remind voters of the content of the Republican budget plan.

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    Re: BREAKING: President Obama Addresses the Nation Tonight at 9

    Maybe this has something to do with why the Republicans are rejecting Reid's plan?

    Second, while Reid’s plan doesn’t raise taxes, it also doesn’t take tax increases off the table.

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