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Anders Behring Breivik Identified As Suspect In Norway Shooting

BDBoop said:
Hearing that this happened in what I cheerfully refer to as "Scandahoovia, the land of my forebears" is just so /tilt. It doesn't make any sense. I can't get it to.

My dad was first gen-fin, I was married to 100% Swede, my mom's mom was 100% Norwegian. Minnesota is just Norway lite. It's where the "nice" comes from. So why? What point was to be made??
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The viking ancestry maybe??? I went to school with somebody from Norway, and said the viking imagine was embarrassing.
 
I just can get over the fact that someone who identifies himself as Christians can commit something that is so evil, wicked, and heinous. I still think if someone in the camp had the fire arm this could have saved so many lives. If Norway has Death Penalty, I strongly believe that this jerk should be put to death for what he has committed.
 
TurtleDude said:
the reports I heard is that he had a fully automatic military machine gun. hardly something you can buy legally in a Norwegian gun store I suspect the youth camp was completely free of firearms
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I heard something like that too... How did he get it and all that ammo though? I heard that that gun could have been obtained through the military, and I am not sure, but I think Norway is compulsory military service.
 
Deuce said:
You really, really don't understand liberals at all.

Conservatives are so predictable. Muslim attack? Thread becomes about muslim terrorists and how liberals support them. Christian attack? Thread becomes about how its liberals' fault because they are "anti-gun."

Rained yesterday. Bet that was the fault of liberals too.
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No, silly. That was the conservatives! They prayed for rain. :D
 
VanceMack said:
Ya'd think that somewhere along the way people would get the message. GOD FORBID you should ever have to face an armed assailant...but when bullets start flying, charge the sonofabitch. He gets 2...10...20...he doesnt get 94...plus wounded. Yes...even teenagers. Laying down and pretending to play dead just got them dead. And I am NOT in ANY WAY blaming the kids or other victims. Just...PLEASE...for YOUR sake...learn some historical lessons!!!
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They were kids, and you're expecting average people/average kids to act like they deserve the medal of honor... not even most soldiers act in that fashion. It's easy to also say what they should have done when you weren't there yourself. Most people want to live and not die, and would prefer somebody else risk themselves. The desire to survive is as a basic as you can get.

The only people who are willing to risk themselves for others like that, are probably just going to be parents doing it for their own children.
 
SheWolf said:
The viking ancestry maybe??? I went to school with somebody from Norway, and said the viking imagine was embarrassing.
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Did he never hear Led Zeppelin??

 
SheWolf said:
They were kids, and you're expecting average people/average kids to act like they deserve the medal of honor... not even most soldiers act in that fashion. It's easy to also say what they should have done when you weren't there yourself. Most people want to live and not die, and would prefer somebody else risk themselves. The desire to survive is as a basic as you can get.

The only people who are willing to risk themselves for others like that, are probably just going to be parents doing it for their own children.
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Exactly. That's what broke my heart, actually. They had enough instinct to play dead. He killed them anyway.
 
TurtleDude said:
many european paradises have turned people into sheep who have been told not to fight back
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When have Americans ever put themselves in front a manics gun and martyr themselves so others could live??? It didn't happen in Columbine, VTECH, etc. It's never happened. The only time I can think of it happening is on an individual basis, when the killer points a gun right at somebody else and it's not a shooting spree. I know I'd attack them with my bare fists in that moment, but I wouldn't run out of a classroom and down the hall and try to assault a shooter because I thought I'd save somebody else.
 
SheWolf said:
They were kids, and you're expecting average people/average kids to act like they deserve the medal of honor... not even most soldiers act in that fashion. It's easy to also say what they should have done when you weren't there yourself. Most people want to live and not die, and would prefer somebody else risk themselves. The desire to survive is as a basic as you can get.

The only people who are willing to risk themselves for others like that, are probably just going to be parents doing it for their own children.
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Yes maam...I am. I am expecting kids to be taught to defend themselves. I get tired of the VA Tech style rampage where 30+ 'kids' die hiding under their desk waiting to be killed. 94 people are dead...who knows how many are wounded. I shot...maybe two shots...its personal...you can let it be someone elses business. 10, 20, 30...you'd best be prepared for the possibility you are next. I agree that the basic instinct is to survive. WHen you have a gunman killing people at random, your odds of being one of those dead people are pretty good.
 
SheWolf said:
When have Americans ever put themselves in front a manics gun and martyr themselves so others could live??? It didn't happen in Columbine, VTECH, etc. It's never happened. The only time I can think of it happening is on an individual basis, when the killer points a gun right at somebody else and it's not a shooting spree. I know I'd attack them with my bare fists in that moment, but I wouldn't run out of a classroom and down the hall and try to assault a shooter because I thought I'd save somebody else.
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Thats kinda my point. Its time to change the roll over and die mentality. The Arizona shooter was charged at the first opportunity. It could have been much much worse. Thankfully it was not.
 
TurtleDude said:
non sequitur. castrated subjects tend to be the normal population that loves nanny state socialism

People get arrested for shooting robbers who break into their homes in England. Here in america we see that as a good thing-if my neighbor blows away some home invader that means my home is less likely to be robbed
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But America still has shooting sprees occurring like this too... so it doesn't appear any law or regulation is going to prevent it from occurring. I don't know why some you think this is the time to attack countries like Norway when America has had way more shooting sprees than them anyway. Our laws and regulations don't appear to be any better in terms of shooting sprees.
 
Crosscheck said:
Damn straight. Get pissed, get mad, and go after that punk. Make him eat that gun. You want to think that even if he plugs you in the chest your will and momentum will crash into him allowing someone else to charge him.

I know it is sometimes easier said than done and one can't feel too matched in your bathing suit against an armed assailant.

I truly like to believe that anyone who pulls a gun out on a passenger airplane in America is going to trigger a mass charge on him by passengers.
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I'd be worried that that kind of charge might be more invigorating and entertaining for a shooter like him than anything else...
 
Manc Skipper said:
Most of Europe lacks flocks of Rightist Psycho-Christians with guns blazing.
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What about those Leftist gun totin' psychos? The Red Brigade? The Baider-Meinhoff gang? Let's not forget the attacks by Muslims in Europe over the past decade.

Europe has plenty of psychos.
 
SheWolf said:
I think it's reasonable to bring up guns, and I'd expect a reasonable reaction to the specific situation, not something extreme like a gun ban. As to the bomb, I saw a forensics show once about how some fertilizers and explosives can be manufactured to include a resin that will not be destroyed. The resins are individual to each manufacture and each explosive, so it's easier to prove an individual did purchase the explosives and worked with them in their home or garage. In America there is no laws requiring any company to include such resins and compounds in the manufacturing process. I think these are all relevant points that should be discussed. We all just want to be safer, having a discussion about safety shouldn't be considered a taboo and shut down.
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that is because the gun banners also wanted to pass that law and with it a law that would make it a felony to own any ammunition that did not have that tracing material meaning all of us who have stores of ammunition would either have to destroy it or risk a felony while criminals who can import cocaine and steal stuff would steal untraceable ammo or smuggle in stuff that isn't subject to such a moronic requirement
 
SheWolf said:
When have Americans ever put themselves in front a manics gun and martyr themselves so others could live??? It didn't happen in Columbine, VTECH, etc. It's never happened. The only time I can think of it happening is on an individual basis, when the killer points a gun right at somebody else and it's not a shooting spree. I know I'd attack them with my bare fists in that moment, but I wouldn't run out of a classroom and down the hall and try to assault a shooter because I thought I'd save somebody else.
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Like hell it's never happened.

Columbine High Heroes
 
VanceMack said:
Yes maam...I am. I am expecting kids to be taught to defend themselves. I get tired of the VA Tech style rampage where 30+ 'kids' die hiding under their desk waiting to be killed. 94 people are dead...who knows how many are wounded. I shot...maybe two shots...its personal...you can let it be someone elses business. 10, 20, 30...you'd best be prepared for the possibility you are next. I agree that the basic instinct is to survive. WHen you have a gunman killing people at random, your odds of being one of those dead people are pretty good.
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Let's be fair; rolling over in the Norwegian way to deal with a threat. It's in their blood. Look how much of a fight they put up when the Germans invaded.
 
SheWolf said:
I'd be worried that that kind of charge might be more invigorating and entertaining for a shooter like him than anything else...
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very few weapons hold more than a few seconds of ammunition before a reload and belt fed machine guns and beta mag equipped M 16 rifles are hard to tote around.
 
Goshin said:
Why would guns have anything to do with it? Millions of them lay quiescent in their lockers, bothering no one... until some lunatic acts up with one. Recall there was also a bomb. OKC was done with fertilizer and diesel fuel. I can't imagine Norway being stupid enough to make this a gun control issue.
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I believe guns are tightly controlled by the government in Norway. If so, this is a good argument against gun-control. See? Even when gun-controls exist, murderers hell-bent on mayhem will acquire and use guns. Their victims, however, won't, and therefore will DIE more efficiently when murdered.
 
tjinta ibis said:
Not at all. We know from experience that these kinds of attacks are driven by right wing paranoia.
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The Va. Tech shooting was driven by Right Wing paranoia?
 
apdst said:
Let's be fair; rolling over in the Norwegian way to deal with a threat. It's in their blood. Look how much of a fight they put up when the Germans invaded.
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fair point-now the Greeks and the Fins-they were tough SOBs who gave the Nazis and the Communists, respectively, all kinds of heartache
 
SheWolf said:
Obviously it isn't just your typical homicide involving a gun death... I don't know much about the gun he used or his past run ins with the law involving guns, etc. but I'd like to know how easy it is to get that much ammo? Most people don't need that much ammo to defend their home or go hunting with. That doesn't seem right, and I'll admit, I don't know the facts yet.
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Well he got 7 tons of fertilizer, so obviously the Norwegians aren't exactly on top of the explosives end of things either.
 
apdst said:
The Va. Tech shooting was driven by Right Wing paranoia?
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didn't you know, Cho and Klebold and Harris were all members of the tea party
 
greatar4 said:
I just can get over the fact that someone who identifies himself as Christians can commit something that is so evil, wicked, and heinous.
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Which is what millions of Muslims have been saying about their terrorists. Answer: These guys aren't following their religion.

I still think if someone in the camp had the fire arm this could have saved so many lives. If Norway has Death Penalty, I strongly believe that this jerk should be put to death for what he has committed.
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As to your first point: probably. As to your 2d. He can get a maximum of 21 years.
 
apdst said:
The Va. Tech shooting was driven by Right Wing paranoia?
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The Va. Tech shooting was not religious or political. He was crazy. Period.
 
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