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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Actually, CNN is reporting Boehner asked to roll back a bunch of provisions in healthcare reform and the Whitehouse said "Fine, but we want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the richest Americans."
    The White House offered a “ceiling” of $800 billion in new revenue over 10 years that would be achieved through comprehensive tax reform (e.g., eliminating loopholes, credits and deductions) in a way that would stimulate economic growth. This would not constitute a tax increase.

    Following the release of the Gang of Six proposal, however, the White House then insisted on an additional $400 billion in actual tax increases, for a total of $1.2 trillion in revenue that would become the new “floor” for revenues. Additionally, the administration backed away from several aspects of the tax reform package they had already agreed to, including a protection against tax hikes on small businesses and a guarantee that they would only be three tiers of tax rates, the highest of which would be below 35 percent.

    In regard to Social Security, the two sides had agreed on a change in the way the government calculates inflation (the so-called “chain CPI”) that would extend the program’s solvency. However, the White House reneged on a previously agreed-upon solvency target and offered a weaker target that would yield 25 percent less in savings....

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I doubt Obama has the balls to do that. If it comes down to it, he'll fold and give the Republicans what they want, just like every other time.
    He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is what i get from this whole fiasco: "We are republicans, and its our way or the highway democrats." Obama comes up and says "hey how bout this we you know try to work something out ill include more than $1 trillion in cuts to domestic and defense discretionary spending, as well as $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs like SS, Medicare, Medicaid and other social lifenets, but can we have some tax increases and you know close some tax loopholes and corporate loopholes please?" Republicans come back and say "NO! YOUR A BIG SPENDER! AND YOUR GONNA TAX US TO DEATH." Obama comes back and says "What the flying ****, this is bull****" and then Republicans then walk out cuz they think they are the shizznit.
    That is pretty much it. He was giving cuts that his own base was panicked about. Don't believe me, hit the news pages in the past 48 hours. The Democrats were petrified. Pelosi was furious. HE TRIED. He gave them the keys, and they stuck their little noses in the air and said "**** you very much."

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    That is pretty much it. He was giving cuts that his own base was panicked about. Don't believe me, hit the news pages in the past 48 hours. The Democrats were petrified. Pelosi was furious. HE TRIED. He gave them the keys, and they stuck their little noses in the air and said "**** you very much."
    I've been getting frantic emails from progressive groups for like a week now. Moveon.org is in full panic mode over the cuts to SS and medicare.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.
    Well, we'll see. It'll come down to the final hours, just like the budget. Someone is gonna flinch. My money's still on Obama.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He didn't. I'm proud of him. I could ****ing castrate Boner. - nevermind. That's been done.
    he has the balls to let Senate Democrats force him to change his deal at the last moment, scuttling it?

    wow, now that's leadership.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Today was a really sad day for America. Once again, Both sides, im not blaming anybody here, are willing to come to the table like adults, not worry about their extremeist party members, and make a deal. This is all about re-elections people. Does anyone find it odd this happened on a Friday night, when EVERYONE is at home watching the news? Its politics. This is how its always been, and always will. Right after these extreme downfalls, a deal is usually reached 3 days later.

    But besides that, I was very impressed with President Obama. This is the first time I have ever seen him step up like a man, and tell the American people how it is. I am still waiting for him to bring the 14th ammendement into the picture, which I still believe is his safety net if all else fails, considering he still is the president of the United States and has powers CNN, especially fox news, are afraid to talk about.

    Expect this to happen in the next few days...

    1.) Reaching for a small, short term deal, which is what Republicans wanted in the first place. They need GOP campaign material, and why not about the countries debt crisis. Obama wanted a long term deal, through 2013, so this issue would not be as big in the elections, but Republicans KNOW he wants this, and are doing everything they can to just kick the can down the road.

    2.) If short term agreements fail, expected Obama to call a press conference envoking his 14th ammendment rights. Bill Clinton thinks he should do it, even some GOP members thinks he should do it, and I would back him on it. Of course the GOP will come back and fuel the already crazy Tea-Party roots, saying he is attempting to kill democracy, take over the United States, A nazi... and so on. It would be a gamble with his re-election, but I think the American people would rally behind him, considering he is doing this for the better of the country, not for his own personal gains. Atleast... you would have to be an idiot to think he's doing it to kill democracy, but after what I have seen the tea-party represent over the last year, nothing would surprise me.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    John Boehner doesnt have a mind of his own anymore...hes a mindless puppet whos strings are being manipulated by the teaparty. This is a major gamble by both parties, if Social Security checks and other things dont get paid...which ever party gets blamed...will be done for 10 yrs

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    John Boehner doesnt have a mind of his own anymore...hes a mindless puppet whos strings are being manipulated by the teaparty. This is a major gamble by both parties, if Social Security checks and other things dont get paid...which ever party gets blamed...will be done for 10 yrs
    well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.
    This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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