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Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

But the fact remains that when it comes to the debt, one party is more to blame than the other, as my post clearly shows

I realize that a partisan like you cannot comprehend things, but both parties are at fault.
 
The rightwingers love the Constitution so much, they can't stop calling for it to be changed.

Yes, by amendment. It has been changed previously. It can be changed again in the future. That's the nature of our Constitution. That is what the Founders envisioned. I would think anyone would know that.
 
I take it you do not recall the republican shouting "You Lie!!" during a SOTU speech

I recall it well. We were talking about the President. I know it is difficult for some to follow a train of thought, but we cannot wait for everyone to get it. Carry on.
 
After the Constitution was ratified, Hamilton became Secretary of the Treasury. It was at this time that he and Madison parted ways. However, this is after the Convention, and more importantly, it is after the Ratification Conventions where both stood side-by-side and provided the same thoughts about limited government with the States having sovereignty over those things not enumerated as authority to the Federal Government.

I could provide much more, but I think this will get across my point.

Hamilton also advocated for the creation of the Bank of the United States and laid the groundwork for the economy the country enjoyed until the Civil War. To say that the Founders were politically on the same side is a gross over-simplification.

I'd argue that with the Civil War, the relationship between the Federal Government and the states changed forever. Ironically, given the current climate, by the first President elected by the modern Republican party.
 
It's OK If You're A Republican

Not necessarily. Sometimes Republicans cannot follow a train of thought either. Democrats don't have a complete monopoly. Thwppppppppppppt!
 
Hamilton also advocated for the creation of the Bank of the United States and laid the groundwork for the economy the country enjoyed until the Civil War. To say that the Founders were politically on the same side is a gross over-simplification.

I'd argue that with the Civil War, the relationship between the Federal Government and the states changed forever. Ironically, given the current climate, by the first President elected by the modern Republican party.

Good grief. The meaning of the Constitution was established during the Constiutional Convention and the State Ratification Conventions. To use the bank as the argument would be the same as when George Bush said that No Child Left Behind was constitutional. Which enumerated power did the Civil War change? Please specify. Thanks.
 
This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.

:shrug: no one is calling out victim status one way or the other - but the mainstream media with the exception of FOX is ideologically in the President's corner. They will repeat his talking points and help blame Congressional Republicans and he knows both of those thigns.

what was it the Journ-O-Listers called themselves? "The Unofficial Obama Campaign"?
 
Good grief. The meaning of the Constitution was established during the Constiutional Convention and the State Ratification Conventions. To use the bank as the argument would be the same as when George Bush said that No Child Left Behind was constitutional. Which enumerated power did the Civil War change? Please specify. Thanks.

Slavery. The ability to regulate slavery was not given to the Federal Government in the Constitution.

You can't see the difference in pre-Civil War and after? Before the Civil War, it was thought that States had the right to nullify Federal law and secede from the Union. The Civil War settled those arguments as well (in the negative). That's what I'd call a fundamental switch.
 
The stimulus was mostly tax cuts

you are confusing "tax cuts" with "tax credits". One time tax credits aren't tax cuts - they are simply more demand-side keyenesian stimulus spending with a different method of dispersal.

furthermore, less than one-third of the Stimulus was made up of said tax credits.

The FY2009 and FY2010 spending was from legislation that was passed under bush

this is also incorrect. the FY 2009 Budget that was passed by the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time did not include a Trillion Dollar Porkulus bill, endless extensions of unemployment benefits, or any of the other spending that Obama added once he was in. and there was no 2010 budget; just a series of continuing resolutions.

and Obama has to pay for all the spending programs created by bush* and the repubs

like what? NCLB? authored by Ted Kennedy?
 
I gotcha! The CBO is wrong. It's the guy with a blog who knows the answer!!! :roll:


It's your myth and you like it. I get it. Harry Potter isn't real either.... just saying in case you were waving a wand at the screen trying to change the myth of a surplus into a fact.

EDIT:

BTW... the U.S. Treasury link from the article (you know, the one you didn't read) is right there... you can plug in the dates and verify it. Here's the excerpt:

Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury (see note about this link below) website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:

Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


US Treasury Site:

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


I'll wait... but my guess is you'll side step, make an excuse or make an accusation instead of discussing the facts. You're move.


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:shrug: no one is calling out victim status one way or the other - but the mainstream media with the exception of FOX is ideologically in the President's corner. They will repeat his talking points and help blame Congressional Republicans and he knows both of those thigns.

what was it the Journ-O-Listers called themselves? "The Unofficial Obama Campaign"?

That is hilarious, you do know that.
 
It's true, no matter how funny you think it is.

Which is more likely? That there is a massive liberal conspiracy that every media outlet (with the exception of Fox) is taking part in, or that Fox News presents slanted news?
 
It's not fighting fairly when you burden leftists with facts. Their weapon of choice is hyperbole.

The fact that the highest budget deficit in that graph was 2009 - a budget proposed by President Bush?

The fact that the current debt is more than $14 trillion, if we generously assign the deficit to Obama from 2009 onward, despite the fact that 2009 budget was propose by Bush, it still only only adds up to less than $4.5 trillion - how is that wrong to say that "It wasn't Obama who created all that debt"?

Of course you can always blame the budget on Democratic congress, it seems to be that all the Republican Presidents from Reagan, Bush Sr, to Bush Jr were all victims of the Democratic Congress in conservatives' script. What I wonder is how do they justify that with the macho image some conservatives like to fool themselves into believing at the same time.
 

LOL public option, progressive estate tax, ends oil loopholes, invests in clean energy, broadband, etc etc, extends more lower income tax credits...jeez, more spending with rosy projection analysis and partisanship and class warfare, IE more of same.

LOL @ 49% capital gains. That would wreck our economy even harder. You want to see lack of hiring, that will guarantee it. The more I look at that so called budget the more I laugh. Its terrible. No one would dare open a business in that taxing environment. Maybe you need to check and see who is actually in the mutual gains pool: any American with a retirement plan that consists of a mutual fund, annuity, or 401K or dang near anything else.

Puhlease, even liberal loveland Europe is busily rolling back some of the same crap you are peddling---BECAUSE IT HASN'T WORKED.
 
Which is more likely? That there is a massive liberal conspiracy that every media outlet (with the exception of Fox) is taking part in, or that Fox News presents slanted news?

Can I sleep on it? I'd hate to guess wrong.

Just ignore my sig.
 
you are confusing "tax cuts" with "tax credits". One time tax credits aren't tax cuts - they are simply more demand-side keyenesian stimulus spending with a different method of dispersal.

furthermore, less than one-third of the Stimulus was made up of said tax credits.

OK, tax credits. But my point still stands that the spending under Obama has a lot of spending due to legislation passed by republicans under bush*


this is also incorrect. the FY 2009 Budget that was passed by the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time did not include a Trillion Dollar Porkulus bill, endless extensions of unemployment benefits, or any of the other spending that Obama added once he was in. and there was no 2010 budget; just a series of continuing resolutions.

Now, you're just posting fiction. There is no "porkulus bill" and UI benefits have not been extended endlessly. And even if they were, that doesn't undue all the wasteful spending passed by republicans and signed by bush*


like what? NCLB? authored by Ted Kennedy?

Both bush* and Obama (and both parties) are responsible for Education Deform. That still doesn't undue all the wasteful spending passed by republicans and signed by bush*
 
It's your myth and you like it. I get it. Harry Potter isn't real either.... just saying in case you were waving a wand at the screen trying to change the myth of a surplus into a fact.

Is *that* how you defend that nonsence? With references to Harry Potter?

EDIT:

BTW... the U.S. Treasury link from the article (you know, the one you didn't read) is right there... you can plug in the dates and verify it. Here's the excerpt:




US Treasury Site:

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


I'll wait... but my guess is you'll side step, make an excuse or make an accusation instead of discussing the facts. You're move.


:coffeepap:

It has already been explained that the deficit was blown up by bush* and the republicans
 
Of course you can always blame the budget on Democratic congress, it seems to be that all the Republican Presidents from Reagan, Bush Sr, to Bush Jr were all victims of the Democratic Congress in conservatives' script. What I wonder is how do they justify that with the macho image some conservatives like to fool themselves into believing at the same time.

You forgot about the liberal media. They're guilty too!
 
LOL public option, progressive estate tax, ends oil loopholes, invests in clean energy, broadband, etc etc, extends more lower income tax credits...jeez, more spending with rosy projection analysis and partisanship and class warfare, IE more of same.

LOL @ 49% capital gains. That would wreck our economy even harder. You want to see lack of hiring, that will guarantee it. The more I look at that so called budget the more I laugh. Its terrible. No one would dare open a business in that taxing environment. Maybe you need to check and see who is actually in the mutual gains pool: any American with a retirement plan that consists of a mutual fund, annuity, or 401K or dang near anything else.

Puhlease, even liberal loveland Europe is busily rolling back some of the same crap you are peddling---BECAUSE IT HASN'T WORKED.

I was asked for a dem budget proposal, and that's what I posted. Just shows that the rightwingers don't know whats going on, and in the absence of facts, they just make **** up
 
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