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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    So just when in the **** is it finally ok to say "We're in deep ****. We can't afford to pay attention, it's time to stop this debt ceiling crap and get spending under control?" I don't give a **** if they did that **** 100 times under Bush, it's time to stop it NOW. When would YOU finally say "no more increase in debt ceiling? When our grandkids' grandkids would not be able to pay it off?
    The debt ceiling needs to be raised to cover the PAST borrowing that resulted from runaway spending during the bush* years. Paying off your debts incurred by PAST spending is completely different than cutting FUTURE spending.

    The debt ceiling MUST be raised whenever our debts increase. The way to cut spending is to actually cut spending, and not by holding the ecomy hostage by threatening to renege on the debts that the republicans in congress racked up.

    can't stand liberals who use the "Well, we did it before!" Excuse. Well, I ran a ****ing red light before too. It wasn't right then, and it ain't right now.
    ANd I cant stand rightwingers who hold the economy hostage and scream "Stop me before I kill the economy again!!"
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The colossal budgets were caused by the runaway spending of the republicans during the bush* years and the reason why tax revenues must be increased
    I see, it was the money that Bush spent that caused Obama's budget deficits, not the money that Obama spent. Thank you - I was having trouble with your identification as an Independent but now realize you aren't claiming your views to be independent politically, but independent of reality, rationality, and common sense.

    And just FYI - of our last five presidents, Bush actually spent the least.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, the republicans have refused to compromise. Their regular tantrums and walkouts have proven this.
    Republicans had an agreement - the President demanded the agreement change at the last minute, the Republicans refused.

    So now you're back to "there was no plan"
    other than his budget, no, he has never given us a plan. what was it the CBO said? "We Don't Score Speeches".

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I see, it was the money that Bush spent that caused Obama's budget deficits, not the money that Obama spent. Thank you - I was having trouble with your identification as an Independent but now realize you aren't claiming your views to be independent politically, but independent of reality, rationality, and common sense.

    And just FYI - of our last five presidents, Bush actually spent the least.
    It wasn't Obama who created all that debt, but his budget has to include spending to service that debt. Obama didnt pass Medicare D, but his budget has to fund it. And on and on, TARP, HAS, TSA, and bloated pork laden Farm, Energy, and Transportation bills. He didn't create these massive spending programs, but his budget has to pay for them.

    And just FYI, bush* and the republicans doubled the national debt
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Republicans had an agreement - the President demanded the agreement change at the last minute, the Republicans refused.



    other than his budget, no, he has never given us a plan. what was it the CBO said? "We Don't Score Speeches".
    The republicans never agreed to anything. And they had no plan to compromise. They have lived up to their reputation as the party of no
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's rightwingers who seem to have no idea what his plan was. They can't even admit that it exists.

    The fact is that Obama has proposed several plans, but the party of no refuses to compromise
    Okay then what is Obama's major plan? His special whoop-de-doo plan that wasn't rejected 97-0.

    Do you have any idea?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay then what is Obama's major plan? His special whoop-de-doo plan that wasn't rejected 97-0.

    Do you have any idea?
    Which one? He's made several proposals
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which one? He's made several proposals
    His best proposal.

    Which one did he support the most and which one did you find most appealing?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It wasn't Obama who created all that debt
    what?



    of course, that actually hides the fact that from 2007 on Democrats controlled the congress - which is where spending bills must originate.

    but his budget has to include spending to service that debt. Obama didnt pass Medicare, but his budget has to fund it. And on and on, TARP, HAS, TSA, and bloated pork laden Farm, Energy, and Transportation bills. He didn't create these massive spending programs, but his budget has to pay for them.

    And just FYI, bush* and the republicans doubled the national debt
    and Obama has added even more on since. the Stimulus alone cost more than Iraq did over a decade.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which one? He's made several proposals
    Could you please post a link to President Obama's plan where the details are given? If you cannot find that one, how about one from the Senate Democrats?

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