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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The GOPsters killed the deal when they walked out, as is their habit. Like children, they throw a tantrum when they don't get their way

    not really. Obama knows that a $1.2 Trillion tax hike is DOA. When you hand someone a grenade that is cooking off; don't be surprised when they throw it away.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    I could care less if Obama raised the debt ceiling a million times so long as spending was under control.

    The debt ceiling really isn't the issue, it's the colossal budget deficits forcing him to raise the ceiling by four trillion dollars in the span of two years.
    No, the debt ceiling is the real issue. Spending cuts are only being discussed because the party of no wouldn't negotiate without preconditions, and then when they were met, they stormed out anyway.

    The colossal budgets were caused by the runaway spending of the republicans during the bush* years and the reason why tax revenues must be increased
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    All of them
    Right. You have no idea what his plan was and he has no idea either.

    The fact is that the one real plan this President had was rejected 97-0.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Nah. By now Obama has figured that he benefits electorally by running it past Aug 2. he will continue to put poison pills in any fix up until then - figuring in a worst case scenario at least Republican Leadership folds and he starts a civil war in the opposing party.

    it's clever. mind you it is fairly narcissistic. but it's clever.
    I doubt Obama has the balls to do that. If it comes down to it, he'll fold and give the Republicans what they want, just like every other time.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well they were snookered, that is true. But I would rather take the reformed than the untrustworthy.
    I think it's naive to put trust in boobs who have proven, over and over again, that they can't be trusted to make a decent deal

    this is incorrect. Republicans are the only ones to have actually put forth anything that would actually increase the debt ceiling, and that is because they know that a pliant media would be thrilled to help Obama blame the disruptions past Aug 2 on Republicans.
    No, Obama has put forth multiple proposals for raising the debt ceiling, only to see them rejected by the childish leaders of the party of no.

    again, this is incorrect. a post-Aug 2 collapse gives Obama an economic narrative, where currently he has none. If things continue as they are, and we are looking at around 8 - 8.5 %ish unemployment come Nov 2012, then he is doomed and he knows it. Ah, but if he can build a case for blaming republicans.....
    It is correct, and the facts show it. The GOP wants unemployment to stay high, which is why they have done nothing about it. They while about how "govt can't create jobs" and then toss that argument to the side and whine about how unemployment is all Obamas' fault

    Here's the record of job creation when the dems controlled the House, which was clearly trending up



    Now here's the trend since the Repubs took the House
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not really. Obama knows that a $1.2 Trillion tax hike is DOA. When you hand someone a grenade that is cooking off; don't be surprised when they throw it away.
    Of course it's DOA. The rightwing has made it clear that they will not compromise.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right. You have no idea what his plan was and he has no idea either.

    The fact is that the one real plan this President had was rejected 97-0.
    It's rightwingers who seem to have no idea what his plan was. They can't even admit that it exists.

    The fact is that Obama has proposed several plans, but the party of no refuses to compromise
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Of course it's DOA. The rightwing has made it clear that they will not compromise.
    BS: Boehner had already given him $800 Bn in tax increases - and the President was free to cut whatever he liked.

    It's rightwingers who seem to have no idea what his plan was. They can't even admit that it exists.
    leaks and mutterings and suggestions with no specifics is not a plan. it is a plan to have a plan. The one actual plan that he gave us was so unrealistic that not even any Democrats wanted their name attached to it.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is the republicans who have put the credit of the US at risk. They had no problem doing it 11 times when bush* was a president, but it's wrong when there's a democrat in the white house.
    So just when in the **** is it finally ok to say "We're in deep ****. We can't afford to pay attention, it's time to stop this debt ceiling crap and get spending under control?" I don't give a **** if they did that **** 100 times under Bush, it's time to stop it NOW. When would YOU finally say "no more increase in debt ceiling? When our grandkids' grandkids would not be able to pay it off?

    Damn I can't stand liberals who use the "Well, we did it before!" Excuse. Well, I ran a ****ing red light before too. It wasn't right then, and it ain't right now.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    BS: Boehner had already given him $800 Bn in tax increases - and the President was free to cut whatever he liked.
    No, the republicans have refused to compromise. Their regular tantrums and walkouts have proven this.



    leaks and mutterings and suggestions with no specifics is not a plan. it is a plan to have a plan. The one actual plan that he gave us was so unrealistic that not even any Democrats wanted their name attached to it.
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    So now you're back to "there was no plan"
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