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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no one is calling out victim status one way or the other - but the mainstream media with the exception of FOX is ideologically in the President's corner. They will repeat his talking points and help blame Congressional Republicans and he knows both of those thigns.

    what was it the Journ-O-Listers called themselves? "The Unofficial Obama Campaign"?
    That is hilarious, you do know that.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    That is hilarious, you do know that.
    It's true, no matter how funny you think it is.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's true, no matter how funny you think it is.
    Which is more likely? That there is a massive liberal conspiracy that every media outlet (with the exception of Fox) is taking part in, or that Fox News presents slanted news?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not fighting fairly when you burden leftists with facts. Their weapon of choice is hyperbole.
    The fact that the highest budget deficit in that graph was 2009 - a budget proposed by President Bush?

    The fact that the current debt is more than $14 trillion, if we generously assign the deficit to Obama from 2009 onward, despite the fact that 2009 budget was propose by Bush, it still only only adds up to less than $4.5 trillion - how is that wrong to say that "It wasn't Obama who created all that debt"?

    Of course you can always blame the budget on Democratic congress, it seems to be that all the Republican Presidents from Reagan, Bush Sr, to Bush Jr were all victims of the Democratic Congress in conservatives' script. What I wonder is how do they justify that with the macho image some conservatives like to fool themselves into believing at the same time.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    LOL public option, progressive estate tax, ends oil loopholes, invests in clean energy, broadband, etc etc, extends more lower income tax credits...jeez, more spending with rosy projection analysis and partisanship and class warfare, IE more of same.

    LOL @ 49% capital gains. That would wreck our economy even harder. You want to see lack of hiring, that will guarantee it. The more I look at that so called budget the more I laugh. Its terrible. No one would dare open a business in that taxing environment. Maybe you need to check and see who is actually in the mutual gains pool: any American with a retirement plan that consists of a mutual fund, annuity, or 401K or dang near anything else.

    Puhlease, even liberal loveland Europe is busily rolling back some of the same crap you are peddling---BECAUSE IT HASN'T WORKED.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Which is more likely? That there is a massive liberal conspiracy that every media outlet (with the exception of Fox) is taking part in, or that Fox News presents slanted news?
    Can I sleep on it? I'd hate to guess wrong.

    Just ignore my sig.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are confusing "tax cuts" with "tax credits". One time tax credits aren't tax cuts - they are simply more demand-side keyenesian stimulus spending with a different method of dispersal.

    furthermore, less than one-third of the Stimulus was made up of said tax credits.
    OK, tax credits. But my point still stands that the spending under Obama has a lot of spending due to legislation passed by republicans under bush*


    this is also incorrect. the FY 2009 Budget that was passed by the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time did not include a Trillion Dollar Porkulus bill, endless extensions of unemployment benefits, or any of the other spending that Obama added once he was in. and there was no 2010 budget; just a series of continuing resolutions.
    Now, you're just posting fiction. There is no "porkulus bill" and UI benefits have not been extended endlessly. And even if they were, that doesn't undue all the wasteful spending passed by republicans and signed by bush*


    like what? NCLB? authored by Ted Kennedy?
    Both bush* and Obama (and both parties) are responsible for Education Deform. That still doesn't undue all the wasteful spending passed by republicans and signed by bush*
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's your myth and you like it. I get it. Harry Potter isn't real either.... just saying in case you were waving a wand at the screen trying to change the myth of a surplus into a fact.
    Is *that* how you defend that nonsence? With references to Harry Potter?

    EDIT:

    BTW... the U.S. Treasury link from the article (you know, the one you didn't read) is right there... you can plug in the dates and verify it. Here's the excerpt:




    US Treasury Site:

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


    I'll wait... but my guess is you'll side step, make an excuse or make an accusation instead of discussing the facts. You're move.


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    It has already been explained that the deficit was blown up by bush* and the republicans
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Of course you can always blame the budget on Democratic congress, it seems to be that all the Republican Presidents from Reagan, Bush Sr, to Bush Jr were all victims of the Democratic Congress in conservatives' script. What I wonder is how do they justify that with the macho image some conservatives like to fool themselves into believing at the same time.
    You forgot about the liberal media. They're guilty too!
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    LOL public option, progressive estate tax, ends oil loopholes, invests in clean energy, broadband, etc etc, extends more lower income tax credits...jeez, more spending with rosy projection analysis and partisanship and class warfare, IE more of same.

    LOL @ 49% capital gains. That would wreck our economy even harder. You want to see lack of hiring, that will guarantee it. The more I look at that so called budget the more I laugh. Its terrible. No one would dare open a business in that taxing environment. Maybe you need to check and see who is actually in the mutual gains pool: any American with a retirement plan that consists of a mutual fund, annuity, or 401K or dang near anything else.

    Puhlease, even liberal loveland Europe is busily rolling back some of the same crap you are peddling---BECAUSE IT HASN'T WORKED.
    I was asked for a dem budget proposal, and that's what I posted. Just shows that the rightwingers don't know whats going on, and in the absence of facts, they just make **** up
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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