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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    I recall it well. We were talking about the President. I know it is difficult for some to follow a train of thought, but we cannot wait for everyone to get it. Carry on.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Sorry, but I don't read gibberish. Could you please interpret liberal tripe? Thanks.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Sorry, but I don't read gibberish. Could you please interpret liberal tripe? Thanks.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    After the Constitution was ratified, Hamilton became Secretary of the Treasury. It was at this time that he and Madison parted ways. However, this is after the Convention, and more importantly, it is after the Ratification Conventions where both stood side-by-side and provided the same thoughts about limited government with the States having sovereignty over those things not enumerated as authority to the Federal Government.

    I could provide much more, but I think this will get across my point.
    Hamilton also advocated for the creation of the Bank of the United States and laid the groundwork for the economy the country enjoyed until the Civil War. To say that the Founders were politically on the same side is a gross over-simplification.

    I'd argue that with the Civil War, the relationship between the Federal Government and the states changed forever. Ironically, given the current climate, by the first President elected by the modern Republican party.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Not necessarily. Sometimes Republicans cannot follow a train of thought either. Democrats don't have a complete monopoly. Thwppppppppppppt!

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Hamilton also advocated for the creation of the Bank of the United States and laid the groundwork for the economy the country enjoyed until the Civil War. To say that the Founders were politically on the same side is a gross over-simplification.

    I'd argue that with the Civil War, the relationship between the Federal Government and the states changed forever. Ironically, given the current climate, by the first President elected by the modern Republican party.
    Good grief. The meaning of the Constitution was established during the Constiutional Convention and the State Ratification Conventions. To use the bank as the argument would be the same as when George Bush said that No Child Left Behind was constitutional. Which enumerated power did the Civil War change? Please specify. Thanks.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.
    no one is calling out victim status one way or the other - but the mainstream media with the exception of FOX is ideologically in the President's corner. They will repeat his talking points and help blame Congressional Republicans and he knows both of those thigns.

    what was it the Journ-O-Listers called themselves? "The Unofficial Obama Campaign"?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Good grief. The meaning of the Constitution was established during the Constiutional Convention and the State Ratification Conventions. To use the bank as the argument would be the same as when George Bush said that No Child Left Behind was constitutional. Which enumerated power did the Civil War change? Please specify. Thanks.
    Slavery. The ability to regulate slavery was not given to the Federal Government in the Constitution.

    You can't see the difference in pre-Civil War and after? Before the Civil War, it was thought that States had the right to nullify Federal law and secede from the Union. The Civil War settled those arguments as well (in the negative). That's what I'd call a fundamental switch.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The stimulus was mostly tax cuts
    you are confusing "tax cuts" with "tax credits". One time tax credits aren't tax cuts - they are simply more demand-side keyenesian stimulus spending with a different method of dispersal.

    furthermore, less than one-third of the Stimulus was made up of said tax credits.

    The FY2009 and FY2010 spending was from legislation that was passed under bush
    this is also incorrect. the FY 2009 Budget that was passed by the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time did not include a Trillion Dollar Porkulus bill, endless extensions of unemployment benefits, or any of the other spending that Obama added once he was in. and there was no 2010 budget; just a series of continuing resolutions.

    and Obama has to pay for all the spending programs created by bush* and the repubs
    like what? NCLB? authored by Ted Kennedy?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I gotcha! The CBO is wrong. It's the guy with a blog who knows the answer!!!

    It's your myth and you like it. I get it. Harry Potter isn't real either.... just saying in case you were waving a wand at the screen trying to change the myth of a surplus into a fact.

    EDIT:

    BTW... the U.S. Treasury link from the article (you know, the one you didn't read) is right there... you can plug in the dates and verify it. Here's the excerpt:

    Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury (see note about this link below) website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:

    Fiscal
    Year Year
    Ending National Debt Deficit
    FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
    FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
    FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
    FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
    FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
    FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
    FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
    FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
    FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

    US Treasury Site:

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


    I'll wait... but my guess is you'll side step, make an excuse or make an accusation instead of discussing the facts. You're move.


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    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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