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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And yet if Obama didn't say anything he'd be accussed of not being enough of a leader.

    And Obama needs to call on Congress to get this issue resolved. Pointing out that fact doesn't mean he's acting with arrogance.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama is just proving that he has the maturity level of a child. They way is arrogantly attacking Republicans and ignoring the faults of the Democrats only shows his lack of leadership skills. It's extremely immature and unprofessional to order around those you need to compromise with. His sheer disrespect is disgusting in my opinion.
    The white house is the bully pulpit. Since there has been little if any desire for the GOP to compromise on the debt ceiling, this should be expected given the urgency of the situation.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The white house is the bully pulpit. Since there has been little if any desire for the GOP to compromise on the debt ceiling, this should be expected given the urgency of the situation.
    I wish he'd been using it all along.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    75% through Obama's presidency and he still isn't responsible for anything. So much for that whole change thing.
    The true believers on either side never think they have any fault. To read what some people say here, you'd think that the economy was doing great until Obama took office. I've even seen it called an "imaginary recession." Sorry, but no. It was a real recession, and it did start with Bush. There's plenty of fault for Obama, but the world under Bush was not a utopia.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Sorry, but you are talking to the wrong person. I have always believed that both parties are at fault and neither follow the Constitution. For example, the Medicare Prescription Drug Program and No Child Left Behind are certainly programs that the Federal Government is not authorized by the Constitution to handle.

    As for the discussion on the Constitution, if you would like, I can point you to at least one, if not several, threads where liberals are arguing that the Constitution is virtually limitless in authorizing the Federal Government to act. Are you saying that modern liberals don't believe that? If so, please show us evidence of that.
    I'd agree, but I find your "Madison and Hamilton" statement interesting. Madison and Hamilton didn't agree on what it said. You'd think that they would know, but they profoundly disagreed about it.

    If the people that wrote the thing can't agree on what it says, you can't expect us to agree 200+ years later.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd agree, but I find your "Madison and Hamilton" statement interesting. Madison and Hamilton didn't agree on what it said. You'd think that they would know, but they profoundly disagreed about it.

    If the people that wrote the thing can't agree on what it says, you can't expect us to agree 200+ years later.
    Therefor our founding fathers gave us a process for for called amendments, it the process today that is being neglected, bypassed, overlooked and lastly ignored.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The white house is the bully pulpit.
    Indeed. In fact, the President can't even draft legislation - only veto it or pass it and then enforce it.

    And revenue bills originate in the House, which the GOP controls right now.

    So I think the Speaker of the House is more culpable of this issue than the President is.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It's either rule or ruin with them. They are so out of touch with mainstream America. Bought and paid for by interest groups and lobbyists and too pussy to stand up to the tea party whackos in fear of losing votes. Screw the people.

    Well, I hate to say it but we deserve it. American's voted these clowns into the office before the last pile of ****, they were previously kicked out for, was even dry. read 'em and weep America. You wanted 'em, you got 'em. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and as sure as a dog returns to his own vomit, Americans let the GOP shysters back in.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    It is about time Boehner grew a pair and did what the country needed, not what the politicians need. Good for him.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Explain to me how the government can have a surplus when the government is in debt?
    Seriously? You don't understand how we could have a budget surplus and govt debt?

    Even after I already explained it?

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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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