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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans.
    Post a link to at least one plan the dems (not a bipartisan group, just dems) have come up with.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    It's no wonder Obama is winning the PR war here. Just contrast Obama's and Boehner's press conferences last night. Obama, for every question, gave detailed, substantive answers. You can argue his logic, you can argue with his principles, but he certainly is not out of his depth intellectually. Boehner on the other hand, just gave cookie cutter talking point after cookie cutter talking point. You could agree with him, you could oppose Obama, but he is clearly not on the same level intellectually...or if he is, he's afraid to show it and dumbs himself down to appeal to certain constituencies.

    At this point the man should just tattoo "No job-crushing tax hikes for the American people" on his forehead so he doesn't have to speak anymore.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think because it's turning into a he said she said scenario.
    I am sure that Obama could take a much more forceful stance on this, in fact, he has taken more forceful stances on other issues in the past. When that happens, he is accused of being too forceful. So when he backs down a bit, he is accused of not being a leader. Can't please some people I guess.

    However, it is quite obviously, he is acting as the mediator here, at least from the liberal side. I am surprised that people can look past this fact and declare he is not living up to his role.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

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    The problem with your solution has been proven right here on this site. The Constitution no longer has any meaning to people on the left; except for what they want it to mean. Madison and Hamilton knew nothing about the Constitution. Modern liberals are the only ones who understand the "living" Constitution.
    Remember the good old days when Bush was trampling all over the Constitution with tortures, etc. And the left was talking about the Constitution and the Right were defending everything he did.

    It seems to me that the party that doesn't hold the White House is always the one talking about the Constitution and limiting the power of the President. Until they're back in power. Just watch. All you guys will be remarkably quiet when someone with an (R) after his name comes in and starts expanding the power of the Oval Office.

    Or did you suddenly get religion in '08? Now we must balance the budget (because the President is a Democrat), and now we must curtail the power of the Presidency and repect the Constitution (because the President is a Democrat).

    You guys will have power again, and you will be defending his disrespect of the Constitution.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Both sides have turned into a shouting match, but I really think it's fueled by the president and his arrogant attacks against the Republicans. It's not acceptable to order them around the way he is doing. Both sides are at fault. However, I think the president is at more fault and acting with more arrogance and lack of maturity.
    And yet if Obama didn't say anything he'd be accussed of not being enough of a leader.

    And Obama needs to call on Congress to get this issue resolved. Pointing out that fact doesn't mean he's acting with arrogance.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Remember the good old days when Bush was trampling all over the Constitution with tortures, etc. And the left was talking about the Constitution and the Right were defending everything he did.

    It seems to me that the party that doesn't hold the White House is always the one talking about the Constitution and limiting the power of the President. Until they're back in power. Just watch. All you guys will be remarkably quiet when someone with an (R) after his name comes in and starts expanding the power of the Oval Office.

    Or did you suddenly get religion in '08? Now we must balance the budget (because the President is a Democrat), and now we must curtail the power of the Presidency and repect the Constitution (because the President is a Democrat).

    You guys will have power again, and you will be defending his disrespect of the Constitution.
    Sorry, but you are talking to the wrong person. I have always believed that both parties are at fault and neither follow the Constitution. For example, the Medicare Prescription Drug Program and No Child Left Behind are certainly programs that the Federal Government is not authorized by the Constitution to handle.

    As for the discussion on the Constitution, if you would like, I can point you to at least one, if not several, threads where liberals are arguing that the Constitution is virtually limitless in authorizing the Federal Government to act. Are you saying that modern liberals don't believe that? If so, please show us evidence of that.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    It would be nice if these things could be solved without all of the stupid partisan finger pointing. Perhaps that will eventually be our undoing, and perhaps that needs to happen for both sides to open their eyes and realize that petty partisan bickering accomplishes absolutely nothing.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rightwingers see what they want to see. Eight years of repubicans on a spending spree, and they think it's all Obamas' fault.
    75% through Obama's presidency and he still isn't responsible for anything. So much for that whole change thing.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama is just proving that he has the maturity level of a child. They way is arrogantly attacking Republicans and ignoring the faults of the Democrats only shows his lack of leadership skills. It's extremely immature and unprofessional to order around those you need to compromise with. His sheer disrespect is disgusting in my opinion.
    I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to call bull****. He gave them more than his party wanted to give. He was willing to get out there and risk the ire of not only his base, but his party. And THEY STILL SAID NO. So **** them, and everybody who thinks they're doing the right thing. Come next election, they'll find out just how hard they dropped that ball.

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