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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Read your statement again, admission by your own words and I didn't feel the need to quote I figured you would figure it out for yourself.
    Rightwingers see what they want to see. Eight years of repubicans on a spending spree, and they think it's all Obamas' fault.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am curious why people think he lacks leadership skills on this one. It is quite obvious that he is leading the conversation.
    I don't see him as willing to compromise or make peace. He is being very aggressive and dividing the issue by partisanly attacking the Republicans and essentially ordering them around. When two parties need to compromise things should be done in a respectful manner, not with arrogance and disrespect. I think he is acting very immaturely and handling this issue very poorly.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rightwingers see what they want to see. Eight years of repubicans on a spending spree, and they think it's all Obamas' fault.
    Explain to me how the government can have a surplus when the government is in debt?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think because it's turning into a he said she said scenario.
    True enough, but it takes two people to have a he said, she said scenario. Clearly the other party to this is Boehner. So I'd say both sides are at fault for that.


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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see him as willing to compromise or make peace. He is being very aggressive and dividing the issue by partisanly attacking the Republicans and essentially ordering them around. When two parties need to compromise things should be done in a respectful manner, not with arrogance and disrespect. I think he is acting very immaturely and handling this issue very poorly.
    Digs, that's been happening on both sides, if you've been following the conversation.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Digs, that's been happening on both sides, if you've been following the conversation.
    Both sides have turned into a shouting match, but I really think it's fueled by the president and his arrogant attacks against the Republicans. It's not acceptable to order them around the way he is doing. Both sides are at fault. However, I think the president is at more fault and acting with more arrogance and lack of maturity.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The democratic and republican party are equally as guilty in these costly activities that it tries to peddle onto us as a worthy cause, and the American people fall for it hook line and sinker every time so that every four year they can get slapped in the face yet once again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There YOU go again. Instead of recognizing the fact that republicans can't balance a budget even when handed a surplus, you want to blame "govt" as if the democrats success in creating a surplus never happened.

    The GOP campaigns on cutting spending and balancing budgets, but when in office, they spend like drunken sailors on leave. It doesn't matter how many times the repubs betray their rightwing principles; some people will continue to hold them blameless.
    How long has reading comprehension been a problem? The government is made up of Republicans and Democrats. Deltabtry is saying a POX on both parties, but you just fail to comprehend English. And during the Clinton Era, where were the GOP? Weren't they in control of the co-equal branch of Congress? How many times did President Clinton veto welfare reform before he saw the light and took credit for changing it?

    Deltabtry is the one who is correct here. The stitch is not.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    True enough, but it takes two people to have a he said, she said scenario. Clearly the other party to this is Boehner. So I'd say both sides are at fault for that.
    I would say all that both sides of this argument has to do is when in doubt refer to the constitution, but this isn't going to happen anytime soon.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I would say all that both sides of this argument has to do is when in doubt refer to the constitution, but this isn't going to happen anytime soon.
    The problem with your solution has been proven right here on this site. The Constitution no longer has any meaning to people on the left; except for what they want it to mean. Madison and Hamilton knew nothing about the Constitution. Modern liberals are the only ones who understand the "living" Constitution.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Both sides have turned into a shouting match, but I really think it's fueled by the president and his arrogant attacks against the Republicans. It's not acceptable to order them around the way he is doing. Both sides are at fault. However, I think the president is at more fault and acting with more arrogance and lack of maturity.
    I've seen little, if any evidence of arrogant attacks by the President, up until now. But Congressional Dems and Repubs arrogantly attack each other on basically a daily basis.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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