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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Easy. When Clinton created a surplus, that didn't make the debt that had accumulated under the Reagan/Bush spending spree just disappear. It still needed to be paid off, and the surplus Clinton created should have been used to pay down that down that debt. bush* even campaigned on a promise to use a share of the surplus to pay down the debt. Instead, he blew up the surplus with wild spending, creating record breaking deficits and a near doubling of the national debt.



    Another easy question. Obama has to spend money on those programs because IT'S THE LAW. He doesn't have the choice to not fund Medicare D. It's the law. He doesn't have a choice to not pay the interest on the debt. It's the law. He doesn't have the choice to not pay for the other republican spending bills. It's the law
    There you go, so instead of trying to but a left and right wing label on everything, try realizing that the problem is that our behemoth of a government is to big and spends to much and endeavors into activities that are unconstitutional at the expense of the rights and monies of the American people. The democratic and republican party are equally as guilty in these costly activities that it tries to peddle onto us as a worthy cause, and the American people fall for it hook line and sinker every time so that every four year they can get slapped in the face yet once again.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    First of all, I find it offensive as an emo kid that you are calling these Obama fans emo. Guess what, they aren't. OK? People really need to get out of their stereotyping of emo kids.

    But on topic, I am not really that surprised. I blame the Republicans somewhat more than the Democrats, but I worry about what will happen to ordinary people because these idiots couldn't make up their minds.
    I find it surprising that Vic is calling someone else emo.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I haven't made up my mind yet on how many plans he had. So far, as mentioned, there has been one, and that was rejected 97-0. Did you know that?

    But you made the claim, again that, "It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans".

    To prevent any right wingers from making stuff up about his plans, why don't you show them and then they can be debated ?

    What did you like most from the plans you saw?
    Once again, you are changing your story. First, there were none. Now, you say there was only one.

    There have been many proposals going back and forth. Let me know when you're ready to discuss the facts.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans.
    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!

    You continue to be a stitch!

    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    First of all, I find it offensive as an emo kid that you are calling these Obama fans emo. Guess what, they aren't. OK? People really need to get out of their stereotyping of emo kids.

    But on topic, I am not really that surprised. I blame the Republicans somewhat more than the Democrats, but I worry about what will happen to ordinary people because these idiots couldn't make up their minds.
    It's called "projection" which is a psychological reaction that primarily affects rightwingers.

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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Obama is just proving that he has the maturity level of a child. They way is arrogantly attacking Republicans and ignoring the faults of the Democrats only shows his lack of leadership skills. It's extremely immature and unprofessional to order around those you need to compromise with. His sheer disrespect is disgusting in my opinion.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    There you go, so instead of trying to but a left and right wing label on everything, try realizing that the problem is that our behemoth of a government is to big and spends to much and endeavors into activities that are unconstitutional at the expense of the rights and monies of the American people. The democratic and republican party are equally as guilty in these costly activities that it tries to peddle onto us as a worthy cause, and the American people fall for it hook line and sinker every time so that every four year they can get slapped in the face yet once again.
    There YOU go again. Instead of recognizing the fact that republicans can't balance a budget even when handed a surplus, you want to blame "govt" as if the democrats success in creating a surplus never happened.

    The GOP campaigns on cutting spending and balancing budgets, but when in office, they spend like drunken sailors on leave. It doesn't matter how many times the repubs betray their rightwing principles; some people will continue to hold them blameless.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama is just proving that he has the maturity level of a child. They way is arrogantly attacking Republicans and ignoring the faults of the Democrats only shows his lack of leadership skills. It's extremely immature and unprofessional to order around those you need to compromise with. His sheer disrespect is disgusting in my opinion.
    I am curious why people think he lacks leadership skills on this one. It is quite obvious that he is leading the conversation.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There YOU go again. Instead of recognizing the fact that republicans can't balance a budget even when handed a surplus, you want to blame "govt" as if the democrats success in creating a surplus never happened.

    The GOP campaigns on cutting spending and balancing budgets, but when in office, they spend like drunken sailors on leave. It doesn't matter how many times the repubs betray their rightwing principles; some people will continue to hold them blameless.
    Read your statement again, admission by your own words and I didn't feel the need to quote I figured you would figure it out for yourself.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am curious why people think he lacks leadership skills on this one. It is quite obvious that he is leading the conversation.
    I think because it's turning into a he said she said scenario.

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