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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I wonder if the rightwingers will ever admit that spending under Obama includes spending for things passed by republicans (ex Medicare D, TARP, TSA, HSA, 2 wars, Transportatin, Farm and Energy bills) not to mention servicing all the debt piled up by Reagan, GHWB and bush*

    I doubt it.
    I am going to entertain your silliness here for a moment, now think about this, between Reagan, GHWB and Bush, the was Clinton. Now Clinton supposedly had a balanced budget and no deficit with a surplus correct, so how can Reagan GHWB deficits jump over the Clinton administration and be transferred to Bush administration.

    Now how can you defend the Obama administration for spending on what you quoted as, "(ex Medicare D, TARP, TSA, HSA, 2 wars, Transportatin, Farm and Energy bills)".

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    he has the balls to let Senate Democrats force him to change his deal at the last moment, scuttling it?

    wow, now that's leadership.
    He's the president, not a dictator. Boehner can't control the repubs, and BO can't control the dems.

    Our "leaders" are doing nothing but posturing for the next round of elections
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans.
    OK. So what is Obama's plan? How many plans has he had, apart from the one which was rejected 97-0, that was turned down by the 'rightwingers'? It seems his only plan so far was turned down be everyone, but you seem to believe otherwise.

    What merits do you see in his plan and which part do you find most appealing? Please use quotes.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Expect this to happen in the next few days...

    1.) Reaching for a small, short term deal, which is what Republicans wanted in the first place. They need GOP campaign material, and why not about the countries debt crisis. Obama wanted a long term deal, through 2013, so this issue would not be as big in the elections, but Republicans KNOW he wants this, and are doing everything they can to just kick the can down the road.

    2.) If short term agreements fail, expected Obama to call a press conference envoking his 14th ammendment rights. Bill Clinton thinks he should do it, even some GOP members thinks he should do it, and I would back him on it. Of course the GOP will come back and fuel the already crazy Tea-Party roots, saying he is attempting to kill democracy, take over the United States, A nazi... and so on. It would be a gamble with his re-election, but I think the American people would rally behind him, considering he is doing this for the better of the country, not for his own personal gains. Atleast... you would have to be an idiot to think he's doing it to kill democracy, but after what I have seen the tea-party represent over the last year, nothing would surprise me.
    Good analysis and Welcome to DP!!

    I agre with your #1. They will kick the can down the road because there is no leadership in DC. I'm not sure about the 2nd prediction, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The tea party has for the most part, been infiltrated by people that the original tea partyers were countering.
    Wow! First we had RINO's. Now there's TPINO's
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I am going to entertain your silliness here for a moment, now think about this, between Reagan, GHWB and Bush, the was Clinton. Now Clinton supposedly had a balanced budget and no deficit with a surplus correct, so how can Reagan GHWB deficits jump over the Clinton administration and be transferred to Bush administration.
    Easy. When Clinton created a surplus, that didn't make the debt that had accumulated under the Reagan/Bush spending spree just disappear. It still needed to be paid off, and the surplus Clinton created should have been used to pay down that down that debt. bush* even campaigned on a promise to use a share of the surplus to pay down the debt. Instead, he blew up the surplus with wild spending, creating record breaking deficits and a near doubling of the national debt.

    Now how can you defend the Obama administration for spending on what you quoted as, "(ex Medicare D, TARP, TSA, HSA, 2 wars, Transportatin, Farm and Energy bills)".
    Another easy question. Obama has to spend money on those programs because IT'S THE LAW. He doesn't have the choice to not fund Medicare D. It's the law. He doesn't have a choice to not pay the interest on the debt. It's the law. He doesn't have the choice to not pay for the other republican spending bills. It's the law
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    OK. So what is Obama's plan? How many plans has he had, apart from the one which was rejected 97-0, that was turned down by the 'rightwingers'? It seems his only plan so far was turned down be everyone, but you seem to believe otherwise.

    What merits do you see in his plan and which part do you find most appealing? Please use quotes.
    You should make up your mind as to whether or not he had no plans, or he had several plans.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Obama changed the deal at the last minute, and Bohner said "No thanks".

    I fail to see his actions as being wrong here.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You should make up your mind as to whether or not he had no plans, or he had several plans.
    I haven't made up my mind yet on how many plans he had. So far, as mentioned, there has been one, and that was rejected 97-0. Did you know that?

    But you made the claim, again that, "It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans".

    To prevent any right wingers from making stuff up about his plans, why don't you show them and then they can be debated ?

    What did you like most from the plans you saw?

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    See Obama was the nice adult here just wanting higher taxes and more government spending and Boehner said "woah man, we're like way over budget here, and like no dude, we gotta stop spending"

    So all the little Obamalytes are now going all emo.
    First of all, I find it offensive as an emo kid that you are calling these Obama fans emo. Guess what, they aren't. OK? People really need to get out of their stereotyping of emo kids.

    But on topic, I am not really that surprised. I blame the Republicans somewhat more than the Democrats, but I worry about what will happen to ordinary people because these idiots couldn't make up their minds.
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