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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.
    It was interesting yesterday to watch Boehner's speech live and then watch CNN only an hour later play clips of the President's speech and then Boehner's. Somehow, CNN did not think it was important to show Boehner's comments on the tax revenue proposal. Hmmm. Nope, no bias there. People who did not see the speech will walk away from the CNN broadcast with a totally different view than one of reality.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, given that he is pretty sure Republicans will be blamed by a compliant media - that is indeed the President's hope.
    It is the republicans fault...the teaparty greedsters refuse to negotiate they just want what they want when they want it.....and wont settle for less...if the govt closes down it will most certainly be the teapartys fault period....no one needs a compliant media to see its the gop that wont bend and is not negotiating but merely DEMANDING...

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is why I love modern conservatives. It's not our fault, it's that damn liberal media. Turning up the victim mentality to 11 and playing us against them to it's utmost.
    Are you claiming that the majority of media isn't liberal?? The media themselves admit it! There is no room for debate on this subject.

    The only media which has consistently fair and balanced points of view is Fox, and of course that has the liberals in a tizzy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    It is the republicans fault...the teaparty greedsters refuse to negotiate they just want what they want when they want it.....and wont settle for less...if the govt closes down it will most certainly be the teapartys fault period....no one needs a compliant media to see its the gop that wont bend and is not negotiating but merely DEMANDING...
    I don't think the blame game is a good idea on this one... Both "teams" are completely blame worthy, and/or completely corrupt.

    The tea party has for the most part, been infiltrated by people that the original tea partyers were countering.

    Don't worry about this issue too much... At the last second they are going to strike a deal and make a declaration to the effect of :

    "we have successfully finished a last second closed door meeting where for hours we figured out how to solve this issue in such a way that people can get their checks. In the urgency to get an agreement to work with, we found a common solution, and you aren't going to like it, but it's necessary that we now implement these crippling austerity measures." and then list the details of the agreement.... And it's going to be worse than simply a bankruptcy.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    His best proposal.

    Which one did he support the most and which one did you find most appealing?
    Gee, I thought you said he didn't have any!! Now, he does
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    It was interesting yesterday to watch Boehner's speech live and then watch CNN only an hour later play clips of the President's speech and then Boehner's. Somehow, CNN did not think it was important to show Boehner's comments on the tax revenue proposal. Hmmm. Nope, no bias there. People who did not see the speech will walk away from the CNN broadcast with a totally different view than one of reality.
    This is why I have walked away from watching the media news bunnies peddle their wears, all of the media that is.

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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what?



    of course, that actually hides the fact that from 2007 on Democrats controlled the congress - which is where spending bills must originate.



    and Obama has added even more on since. the Stimulus alone cost more than Iraq did over a decade.
    The stimulus was mostly tax cuts. The FY2009 and FY2010 spending was from legislation that was passed under bush*, and Obama has to pay for all the spending programs created by bush* and the repubs
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not fighting fairly when you burden leftists with facts. Their weapon of choice is hyperbole.
    I wonder if the rightwingers will ever admit that spending under Obama includes spending for things passed by republicans (ex Medicare D, TARP, TSA, HSA, 2 wars, Transportatin, Farm and Energy bills) not to mention servicing all the debt piled up by Reagan, GHWB and bush*

    I doubt it.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Oh. Maybe some sunlight on the proposals would prove enlightening. I guess when they are secret, the Democrats can lie about what really happened yesterday. Pshaw!
    It's the rightwingers who are making stuff up and telling lies about how there are no plans.
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    Re: Obama, Boehner at war over debt talk collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, same as every other president.
    No. It's only the republicans who rack up debt on the govts credit card. 3/4 of the debt was piled up under a repub presidents watch.


    The difference being that GDP was growing at the time, and debt remained around 60% of GDP for most of his presidency.

    It's about 100% of GDP right now, a level we haven't seen (or even come close to) since WWII.
    Increasing GDP only makes their failure to fund their spending spree worse.
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