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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It was a bad deal. And everyone knew it. Putting forth an awful deal does not entitle one to play the victim when it is rightfully rejected.
    Not to be flippant, but can you spell B.S.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Strictly politically speaking - he has to go.
    This may be true, but he should have told the nation that the President apparently does not understand our form of government. Here is what Boehner should have said:

    "President Obama apparently does not understand that the Congress is one of three co-equal branches. The Executive is also one of those co-equal branches. The Congress does not tell the President what he must do nor can the President tell us what we must do. I will be going to the White House tomorrow, not because he has incorrectly demanded us to do so, but only because we want to come to an agreement. He further demanded that we tell him why we do not have a deal. The Republican goal, this one last time, will be to see if the Democrats have decided to negotiate in good faith and will finally come to the table with their full offer. We don't believe that the President has been constructive in this agreement, but we will give him yet one more shot at it."
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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Sorry about the beginning of this video, but it isn't long. Speaker John Boehner's response today to President Obama:


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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It was a bad deal. And everyone knew it. Putting forth an awful deal does not entitle one to play the victim when it is rightfully rejected.
    .... now that's ironic. that is precisely the argument Boehner is making.

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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    This may be true, but he should have told the nation that the President apparently does not understand our form of government. Here is what Boehner should have said:

    "President Obama apparently does not understand that the Congress is one of three co-equal branches. The Executive is also one of those co-equal branches. The Congress does not tell the President what he must do nor can the President tell us what we must do. I will be going to the White House tomorrow, not because he has incorrectly demanded us to do so, but only because we want to come to an agreement. He further demanded that we tell him why we do not have a deal. The Republican goal, this one last time, will be to see if the Democrats have decided to negotiate in good faith and will finally come to the table with their full offer. We don't believe that the President has been constructive in this agreement, but we will give him yet one more shot at it."
    Again, the game must be played such that the last one to take the high road, or the last one to blink loses. Since politics is still being played here and both sides playing games, Boener cannot be that sarcastic. He has to show he's in control, in charge and at the same level as Obama or he loses (mostly in the MSM which will crucify him were he to say what you typed out). The bottom line is if Boener and Obama pass the Aug 2nd deadline there will be a price to pay for both. The House elections may turn the tide back to the Democrats but, Obama may also lose his bid for the 2nd term. This really is a big game of chicken and the way you win the game of chicken is be willing to never blink. Which is why this political cartoon is so absolutely true:

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    I still believe that Boehner should have said what I did above.

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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Why do the dems, who have created no plan, remain absolutely blameless?
    The dems cannot create a plan because plans have to start in the house, which they have no control over.

    As a side note, in response to the general thread, I think Boehner's move isn't going to work. He was getting a better deal out of Obama than he would be able to negotiating directly with the senate leadership. Obama had the advantage of the bully pulpit and has an interest in getting a deal done with the ability to play the mediator. The politicians in the house do not possess this ability and have a worse negotiating position politically speaking.
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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The dems cannot create a plan because plans have to start in the house, which they have no control over.

    As a side note, in response to the general thread, I think Boehner's move isn't going to work. He was getting a better deal out of Obama than he would be able to negotiating directly with the senate leadership. Obama had the advantage of the bully pulpit and has an interest in getting a deal done with the ability to play the mediator. The politicians in the house do not possess this ability and have a worse negotiating position politically speaking.

    I'm certainly rooting for both sides to not flinch and let Aug 2nd go by the wayside without a short term or long term deal. Then we'd see after if you're right and Obama comes out on top.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Still No Budget Deal - Current Happenings

    Neither side wants to step up and make the difficult decisions that both know has to be made, at least not until after the election. Both sides want to try to paint the other side as being obstructionist. They have been playing political games, and will continue to do so.

    Will they come to some sort of agreement before the government defaults and raises its interest payments to disastrous levels? Probably. Will they come up with a real long term solution? Possibly. Will they do so before the election? No way.
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