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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    I raised this question

    Not the laws on the books - but your new standard of only allowing a special people that you previously described to be armed to the teeth?


    How do you apply a standard for that and keep from violating the Second Amendment?
    the reply from Turtle

    we already have laws that ban those who have criminal records or other disqualifying features from owning any sort of firearms
    Very good.

    if you cannot own a firearm, you cannot lawfully carry one nor pass the additional screening almost every state imposes on those who wish to carry weapons
    Which leaves hundreds of millions who potentially can carry.

    it is almost impossible to carry enough weapons concealed to be "armed to the teeth" one concealed handgun hardly invokes that sort of image
    You have done an excellent job turtle of educating folks here just how powerful and damaging one weapon can be in the hands of someone as highly trained and skilled as yourself. You have discussing being able to take out dozens of people if need be. I would say that qualifies in being armed to the teeth when you can dispatch several dozen people by your own admission with a single powerful weapon that you can carry.

    so to me, if you can legally own weapons (ie you are an adult with no felony record, mental incompetence as determined by a court etc) and you have fulfilled the requirements to carry a weapon that is the proper process
    And so it would be under the law. And so it would apply to hundreds of millions of people who would meet that law and be able to publicly carry a weapon.

    So now we are back to my question: is that the sort of society that we want to live in? Do we want to live in a society where that is the norm every day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Compared to the disadvantages those campers faced??
    I am not comparing the two. In my earlier post I said that I agree with the opinion expressed by Turtle that this right wing zealot should have been much better taken out early in his evil game if someone had been able to do that. You will get no argument from me on that. Better he died in the first minute of this hellish onslaught than cause any further loss of innocent life. If someone put him on fire I would not urinate on his to douse his flames.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

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    I raised this question



    the reply from Turtle



    Very good.



    Which leaves hundreds of millions who potentially can carry.



    You have done an excellent job turtle of educating folks here just how powerful and damaging one weapon can be in the hands of someone as highly trained and skilled as yourself. You have discussing being able to take out dozens of people if need be. I would say that qualifies in being armed to the teeth when you can dispatch several dozen people by your own admission with a single powerful weapon that you can carry.



    And so it would be under the law. And so it would apply to hundreds of millions of people who would meet that law and be able to publicly carry a weapon.

    So now we are back to my question: is that the sort of society that we want to live in? Do we want to live in a society where that is the norm every day?
    doesn't bother me a bit. people who get CCW licenses have a far lower rate of misconduct with weapons than people who do not. You are much more likely in terms of percentages to be killed by malpractice or have your rights violated by rogue or corrupt cops than to be hurt by a citizen with a CCW



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    doesn't bother me a bit. people who get CCW licenses have a far lower rate of misconduct with weapons than people who do not. You are much more likely in terms of percentages to be killed by malpractice or have your rights violated by rogue or corrupt cops than to be hurt by a citizen with a CCW
    You are not getting my point here. I am NOT arguing about the people who have a CCW. I am not arguing about you with your training and skill and your weapons.

    What I am asking is this: every time an event like this happens, somebody says that its too bad someone there was not armed and could have killed the nut quickly and saved lots of lives. That was your opinion and I agreed with it 100%. So lets take this to its logical conclusion- these type of incident keep happening as they have in the past and even last night at the Texas roller rink with five dead.... maybe they get worse .... and more and more Americans exercise their Second Amendment rights to bear arms and carry in public.

    Is that the type of society the Americna people want?

    Or a better question: are there any important drawbacks or liabilities to a society like that?

    I can freely admit the obvious benefit to a well armed society where lots of people carry in public - perhaps nearly everyone carries in public.

    Can others admit any negative effects from such a policy in our society?
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not comparing the two. In my earlier post I said that I agree with the opinion expressed by Turtle that this right wing zealot should have been much better taken out early in his evil game if someone had been able to do that. You will get no argument from me on that. Better he died in the first minute of this hellish onslaught than cause any further loss of innocent life. If someone put him on fire I would not urinate on his to douse his flames.
    Just about the only way to do that would be to pump a couple of rounds into his ass, yet you oppose private ownership of firearms. You're contradicting yourself.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are not getting my point here. I am NOT arguing about the people who have a CCW. I am not arguing about you with your training and skill and your weapons.

    What I am asking is this: every time an event like this happens, somebody says that its too bad someone there was not armed and could have killed the nut quickly and saved lots of lives. That was your opinion and I agreed with it 100%. So lets take this to its logical conclusion- these type of incident keep happening as they have in the past and even last night at the Texas roller rink with five dead.... maybe they get worse .... and more and more Americans exercise their Second Amendment rights to bear arms and carry in public.

    Is that the type of society the Americna people want?

    Or a better question: are there any important drawbacks or liabilities to a society like that?

    I can freely admit the obvious benefit to a well armed society where lots of people carry in public - perhaps nearly everyone carries in public.

    Can others admit any negative effects from such a policy in our society?
    There are going to be shortcomings, either way. Which approach has the lesser of the shortcomings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just about the only way to do that would be to pump a couple of rounds into his ass, yet you oppose private ownership of firearms. You're contradicting yourself.
    Where do I oppose private ownership of firearms? I do not. I support the Second Amendment and have stated so many many times here.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are not getting my point here. I am NOT arguing about the people who have a CCW. I am not arguing about you with your training and skill and your weapons.

    What I am asking is this: every time an event like this happens, somebody says that its too bad someone there was not armed and could have killed the nut quickly and saved lots of lives. That was your opinion and I agreed with it 100%. So lets take this to its logical conclusion- these type of incident keep happening as they have in the past and even last night at the Texas roller rink with five dead.... maybe they get worse .... and more and more Americans exercise their Second Amendment rights to bear arms and carry in public.

    Is that the type of society the Americna people want?

    Or a better question: are there any important drawbacks or liabilities to a society like that?

    I can freely admit the obvious benefit to a well armed society where lots of people carry in public - perhaps nearly everyone carries in public.

    Can others admit any negative effects from such a policy in our society?
    I don't see any drawbacks to having lots of well trained competent people owning and carrying weapons


    the number of people who actually apply and carry weapons is a small number of those who can legally OWN weapons. yet if one out of ten people were armed and trained that would make these massacres far less successful



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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    An armed parent could've shot Anders before he massacred the multitude.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where do I oppose private ownership of firearms? I do not. I support the Second Amendment and have stated so many many times here.
    Why decry the disadvantages of an armed society?

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