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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those are very good points that show the disadvantages of an well armed society where people are carrying.
    the number of times that sort of scenario has caused a problem are how many?

    versus the number of times lots of people die because none of the victims were armed
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Norway Police Arrived At Island Massacre 90 Minutes After Firing Began

    Norway Police Arrived At Island Massacre 90 Minutes After Firing Began

    Norway police admit to taking 90 minutes to reach island after shooting began

    Norway police admit to taking 90 minutes to reach island after shooting began - The Globe and Mail
    First link is a story from yesterday, a whole day before the official press conference about this..

    Second link.. ALSO from yesterday.... a whole day before the official press conference.... hell it is the same bloody story from AP.

    Here is a bit more uptodate information also from AP...

    Timeline of Norway's bombing and shooting attacks - 7/24/2011 12:12:15 PM | Newser

    _3:26 p.m.: A car bomb explodes outside the prime minister's office in central Oslo.

    _Around 4:50 p.m.: Vacationers at a campground begin to hear shooting across the lake on Utoya, an island where the youth wing of the Labor Party is being held.

    _5:26 p.m.: Police in Buskerud receive call about shooting on Utoya.

    _5:30 p.m.: Buskerud police alert Oslo, request SWAT team.

    _5:38 p.m.: SWAT team is dispatched from Oslo. It drives, deciding that starting a police helicopter would take longer.

    _By 6 p.m.: The team arrives at the lake, but it struggles to find a boat to cross over.

    _6:25 p.m.: The SWAT team arrives on the island.

    _6:27 p.m.: Suspect puts down weapons and surrenders to police.
    That is 1 hour 1 min.

    The only thing you can be critical about is the fact it took them 20 minutes to find boats to get to the island... it could have something to do with the boats being out fishing up people from the late at the time..

    So again.. your so called facts are bull**** rumours from yesterday.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the number of times that sort of scenario has caused a problem are how many?

    versus the number of times lots of people die because none of the victims were armed
    Both are undocumented, unfortunately.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Both are undocumented, unfortunately.
    just about every mass shooting is proof of the latter

    Va Tech Columbine, various "gun free malls, etc

    Charles Whitman's massacre at Texas was interrupted when citizens with rifles showed up and started laying suppressive fire on the tower which let the police officer and an armed civilian to take him out
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    just about every mass shooting is proof of the latter

    Va Tech Columbine, various "gun free malls, etc

    Charles Whitman's massacre at Texas was interrupted when citizens with rifles showed up and started laying suppressive fire on the tower which let the police officer and an armed civilian to take him out
    Sure, there will always be some known cases, but a real study would be impossible for any number of reasons. I think it would be interesting as hell to know the real numbers.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those are very good points that show the disadvantages of an well armed society where people are carrying.
    Compared to the disadvantages those campers faced??

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Compared to the disadvantages those campers faced??
    Well, you also have to wonder how it would alter the thought process if the attacker were to presume that the others were armed as well.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Sure, there will always be some known cases, but a real study would be impossible for any number of reasons. I think it would be interesting as hell to know the real numbers.
    well that might be interesting but just about every retired cop I know (and that is a great deal) carries. Wonder why those who know the most about criminals carry weapons
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Well, you also have to wonder how it would alter the thought process if the attacker were to presume that the others were armed as well.
    With the odds of success being very low, he would have more than likely not attacked.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    With the odds of success being very low, he would have more than likely not attacked.
    Considering the cowardice of murdering a few dozen youngsters trapped on an island, he would have found another target.

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